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Hi, I'm just starting my first eldar army and have gotten quite a variety of models in some trades and have probably almost 5000pts total but I want to know what everyone thinks would be the most competitive 2K pt list would be for eldar nowadays if anyone could help me out with and without the models that I have acquired here is a list of what I have and if anyone would want to suggest what to make or a list it'd be greatly appreciated thanks..


ELDAR

2 WraithKnights (got in trade both only have wraithcannons)
1 Wraithlord (any weapon variety)
6 Vypers (any weapons)
1 Crimson Hunter
1 Hemlock Wraithfighter
3 Wave serpents (any weapons)
1 Falcon
3 Shinning spears
9 Jetbikes
5 Wraithblade (either weapon)
5 Wraithguard (either weapon)
10 Fire dragons
10 Howling Banshees
6 Striking Scorpions
15 Dire Avengers
20 Guardians
2 Weapons Platforms (any weapon)
2 Farseer
1 Spiritseer
6 Warlocks (really thinking about putting these guys on bikes with a farseer on bike as well but dont want to buy those like 30 dollar conversion kits and dont really know how to convert them myself so dont know if they are really even worth using unless on the bikes)

Well that is a list of what I have got Obviously I know all the WS will be use in the army at 2k pts with probably either min. squads of Dire avengers and maybe some wraith or fire dragons? Also probably both wraithknight, crimson hunter and Jetbikes but thats about all I know to go for looking for the most competitive list please comment with any suggestions thank you!!!

Really no help from anyone??? :(

I'd probably go

Farseer

5 da in serpent

5 da in serpent

5 wraiths with d scythes in serpent

6 fire dragons in falcon

Wraith knight

3 jet bikes

3 jetbikes

3 vypers with scatter and shuri cannon

Crimson hunter with exarch upg

Not 100% on total but should be around 2k

I'd probably go similar to Warren, but I'd drop the vypers and jetbikes and have the second wraithknight included.

Nice yea I was thinking something along though lines but I would really like to use the jetbikes the wraithknight is good but i think 2 might be overkill and for the points cost is it realy going to do as much damage as jetbikes an such at equal pts cost can almost field a squad of firedragons in a WS for the price of the knight??

alansafatslob1 wrote:
Nice yea I was thinking something along though lines but I would really like to use the jetbikes the wraithknight is good but i think 2 might be overkill and for the points cost is it realy going to do as much damage as jetbikes an such at equal pts cost can almost field a squad of firedragons in a WS for the price of the knight??

All jetbikes are going to do is capture objectives. Vypers will be lucky to do that much. So yes, a secondwraith knight will do considerably more.

allright Ill have to try it out also what about the farseer with warlock counsel all on bikes whats everyone think about that worth taking or no? I figured I have probably a good 4 to 5000pts almost so I have a bunch to play around with to find a good 2k pt list I want. I originally wanted to do an all wraith army but at 2k using nothing other then them for troops the army is so small I played a game yesterday and at 2k I fielded only 23 models seems very small I won but not by much.

warren0110 wrote:
I'd probably go

Farseer

5 da in serpent

5 da in serpent

5 wraiths with d scythes in serpent

6 fire dragons in falcon

Wraith knight

3 jet bikes

3 jetbikes

3 vypers with scatter and shuri cannon

Crimson hunter with exarch upg

Not 100% on total but should be around 2k

-trash units, +good units.
-falcon, add wave serpent (falcon is easily converted)
-vypers-1 dragon, +wraithknight

then your solid

yea I dont like the falcon at all seems like such trash for a heavy support slot when the wave serpent is there also wondering if anyone knows of an easy way to convert warlocks onto jetbikes other than that kit that one company makes i forget the name like i already have warlocks and 3 shining spears im not using wanted to convert those 3 to be on the bikes so trying to do so without spending anymore money I would love for some suggestions as I'm not really into using green stuff because I suck at it haha

You can't really make a competitive list with what you've got imo.

But since the models seem to be the main limit, you'll want to take all the good models for sure, like the two WK and all the Wave Serpents as Scatter Laser + HoloField.

Then you can take the Crimson Hunter, which happens to be useful now and then, but that means you have to take an Autarch at the minimum.

You'll be way short of 2K optimized though, so you should either try 1500 points or run something less optimized, with fire dragons in one Serpent, DAs in the other two, then jetbikes and backfield Guardian blobs behind an Aegis line with a Comms Relay, to guarantee that your Crimson Hunter comes at the perfect time.

From there, you could maybe expand into two Crimson Hunters, using the useless flyer as a proxy.


Lastly, the Falcon isn't optimal, but it's a lot better than Vypers imo.

Wow, just wow. I see 2 wraith Knights and 3 serpents, and I see "you can't make a competitive list with this".

For 2k take 2 serpents with dragons (5) a unit of 20 guardians with duel lances or lasers, 5 wraith guard with scythes a falcon with pulse laser once and shurkin cannon (cast guide on him) and take 10 avengers with shimmer shield and a farseer. Stick a spiritseer in the guardians for terrain and shrouded save. Duel Knights, a hunter exarch, the hemlock isn't total trash so take it if you want, and lastly the vypers with laser and cannon combo is sick.

haha how do you figure I cant make a competitive list out of what I have.... I've got almost the whole range of the eldar minis the only things i dont have are swooping hawks, dark reapers, rangers, war warwalkers n fire prism? haha what exactly is your idea of a competitive eldar list because I would really love to hear it?????

IKR, I want what morgoth is smoking!

Quite obviously a list that would just stomp any list that can be made from your collection flat, as well as not die horribly to the known offenders.

But hey, if you think you can take Imperial Knights, Deathstars, Flyrants and other top builds with 2WK 3WS at 2000 points, be my guest.






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Wow, just wow. I see 2 wraith Knights and 3 serpents, and I see "you can't make a competitive list with this".

For 2k take 2 serpents with dragons (5) a unit of 20 guardians with duel lances or lasers, 5 wraith guard with scythes a falcon with pulse laser once and shurkin cannon (cast guide on him) and take 10 avengers with shimmer shield and a farseer. Stick a spiritseer in the guardians for terrain and shrouded save. Duel Knights, a hunter exarch, the hemlock isn't total trash so take it if you want, and lastly the vypers with laser and cannon combo is sick.

A list is competitive when it has a shot at the top 1 of your codex in a tournament.
If it has a small shot, that's fine, but if it just doesn't stand a chance, it's not competitive. A good example of a weaker competitive list is Tony Kopach's NOVA list, it wasn't the best list but it had a shot and he took it against all odds.
What you're advising is anti competitive, filling the WS with dragons will inevitably result in risking the WS which are more valuable than the fragons, when you have two WK and a Crimson Hunter to handle what the WS can't handle at range.

Avengers with SS and a farseer ? sure mate, why not add another farseer and a warlock in there, for the giggles.

Spiritseer with guardians for a shrouded save... wow.


And now Vypers SLSC are sick ? man I should've told my opponent the last time I fielded them, because apparently he just blew them up without knowing.



Here's a tip: If you don't know what lists perform in tournaments, I suggest you go inform yourself so that you can help your fellow wannabe competitive player.

well I just looked at your eldar list in your posts and your talking gak on FD in a WS on here but have them in a WS in your list haha and your taking 3 wraithknights thats almost half your army and hell im not the best player and dont even know that much about everything but I know alot of armies that could prob drop atleast 2 wraithknights first turn and i have everything you have in your competitive list except warp spiders 1 WS n 1 WK but your sayiing you dont see how anything I have could be competitive

Yes, my test list three months ago had three Wraith Knight.

I've also had a dozen other test lists in between, and even that list would completely obliterate anything you can make with your models, and fare much better against most of the top builds.

And there are not many top TAC builds that can take down two WK in the first turn, hell even Tau would have a hard time if deployment is played smart. Besides you can have them Deep Strike or reserve if your opponent is strong against MCs. The main reason you don't want three WK is that their utility decreases after the first one. The second one can still do a good job and serve as back up / disincentive to shoot the first one, but ultimately WKs are very niche and expensive, which makes them optional.

You see, list building is about evolving concepts and merging them, so if I tell you that Fire Dragons in a Wave Serpent are a bad idea, it's maybe because you only have three Wave Serpents to begin with.

And maybe also because my playtesting showed Fire Dragons in Wave Serpents to be counter productive at many times.

Either way, take it or leave it, you wanted advice and I gave it to you, you can listen to the people who don't know what they're talking about, or you can listen to someone who constantly researches new builds and keeps an eye on top tournaments and is involved in balance discussions and actually cares about competitive play.

Your choice mate.

I think you should define what you mean by competitive OP. The word carries a different meaning to different people. To some it means: can it win a major tournament while to others it means: can I not get roflstompped when I play it.
Perhaps by redefining what you mean by competitive you could get better answers.


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Id agreements motto th though that 4 transports total, 3 serpents to move 2 fragon squads and a wraithguard squad works heavily against the power of the serpents.


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Id agreements motto=Id agree with morgoth

Ninety your correct and my meaning of competitive is I was a list for local tournaments and a list that im gunna win enough for me not to lose interest in the army/game im not going to be going to any high end tournys or anything like that and morgoth id just appreciate if you'd quit commenting on my post givnig advice is what im looking for and your not giving advice your downing me and everyone else in my post and pretty much telling us all we dont know how to play and are idiots and im looking for help not someone to get in arguements with me and people trying to help me but everyone else i appreciate the help and also I have an extra WS turret for the falcon to make it into WS so maybe 4 will be better than 3 to buff up some more serpents also Im wondering if to have shuriken catapults or cannons on the WS i got them in a trade and they already have the catapults and didnt send the bits for the cannons so therye going to have to stay like that for now at least but do you think I should go through the hassle of ordering bits and is it not really even worth it? Also I've been seeing alot of lists using swooping hawks I really didnt think there was anything great about them but they must be pretty good any suggestions on this? The same also goes with vypers I have 6 of them now I keep getting in trades at first I wanted them but im just starting to think they are a little over prices for all the more they can do and debating if theyre even worth throwing in a list for fun same with warp spiders was thinking about grabbing a squad but want to know if everyone thinks they are worth it and will be a game changer so let me know everyone thanks and I really appreciate the help!!!!!

Two thoughts: one check the flags, if a person isn't from the U.S./United Commonwealth don't read intent into their posts. Morgoth is being kind enough to write in a foreign language to help you out. While it might read one way to a native english speaker, it reads differently to a non native and vice versa. Tbh its wierder with German than Romance languages due to the closeness of our languages (English and German). This causes escalations that really never needed to start.

Second: try asking for friendly competitive based on what your responded to me with. It will get you the results your looking for much better. Asking for what many consider a competitive list with the models you state you have to work from is not really possible

That out of the way your questions:
For what I think your doing, Id recommend playing a game or two with swooping Hawks. They aren't combat troops, but they do win maelstrom points and objectives. Start them on the board behind cover and then use skyleap on your first turn. Now they come in automatically on turn 2 anywhere on the board, drop their pie plate and battle focus behind cover after shooting their laser pointers to gain a maelstrom. That sets you up to drop them on victory objectives on turn 6 the usual end outside of a timed event. The cannon on serpents is nice, but a waste of points if your using serpents to deliver short range troops: this ties into what morgoth was getting at. When you mix abilities (long range tank+short range troops dragons/wraith guard) you end up with a sub optimal result. Save the catapult points and get ghost walk matrices: 1/6 chance to immobilize your troop movers is nothing to sneer at and cheaply removed. I'm no fan of vypers, because I think there's much better fast attack choices in swooping Hawks and spiders. A squad of spiders will completely wreck a squadron of vypers (2d6+6, rerolled d6 to run, then 2 str 7 shots per spider vs a vehicle, then jetpack 2d6 behind cover). That's 5d6+6 inches and shooting vs 30 inches without shooting for the vypers. Save them to convert into harlequin bikes might be a good move.
And you never go wrong with 4 serpents or taking advice from ninjafiredragon


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Derp I just check the flag closely, pardon me morgoth that's a Belgian flag.


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The flags are really small on my iphone

Thanks ninety, but I'm actually an donkey-cave, it has nothing to do with language, I'm pretty much native level as it is anyway.

@OP, yes 4 Wave Serpents, 2 WK, then Warp Spiders, Night Spinner, Swooping Hawks, 3-jetbike units and the Crimson Hunter should get you something decent.

Vypers, I've got 12 of them and I only field them in Apoc games, they're just terrible on the tabletop.