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This is my first 7th ed IG list. I've been thinking about doing a mech army with only about 30-40 infantry models tops, as I'd be using the FW hostile environment bodies. Plasma, lascannons, multilasers and autocannons are some of my favorite things, so I figured why not make a list based on them?

Tank commander in LR Exterminator 160
-LR Exterminator 130

Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170

2 armoured sentinels, lascannons 100
2 armoured sentinels, lascannons 100

Things I might change:
Go for autocannons on the sentinels and upgrade the LR heavy bolters to lascannons.
Go for multilasers on 2 of the sentinels, 2 lascannons on the others, upgrade LR heavy bolters to lascannons.
Go for multilasers on the sentinels and add in an enginseer to ride with a vet squad that'd be hugging the russ's for repairs and POTMS.




Keeping costs in mind, here's a breakdown of the shopping list...
3 FW hostile environment sets £60
3 FW hostile environment plasma sets £42
3 cadian armoured fist sets £105
2 Leman Russ Battle Tanks £62
4 Setinels £74

Total: 343

I would love to get my hands on a hostile environment crew set, but they've been taken off the FW website :(

750:

Tank commander in LR Exterminator, lascannon 170
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
2 armoured sentinels, lascannons 100

1000:

Tank commander in LR Exterminator, lascannon 170
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
2 armoured sentinels, lascannons 100
2 armoured sentinels, multilasers 80


OR

Tank commander in LR Exterminator 160
-LR Exterminator 130
Veteran squad, 3 meltas, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 3 meltas, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 3 meltas, Chimera 155
2 armoured sentinels, multilasers 80
2 armoured sentinels, multilasers 80
2 armoured sentinels, multilasers 80
5 spare

OR

Tank commander in LR Exterminator 160
-LR Exterminator 130
Veteran squad, 3 plasma, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 meltas, Chimera 155
3 Armoured sentinels, autocannons 135
2 Armoured sentinels, lascannons 100

OR devil dogs?

Tank commander in LR Exterminator, lascannon 170
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Devil dog 135
Devil dog 135
2 armoured sentinels, multilasers 80

Since you mention plasma among your favorite things... why only on the vets. I'd say plasma cannons on at least some of those sentinels. They only have BS 3, but plasma cannons are more likely to do something than some other options.

Never got too excited about the exterminator cannon, but should do very well in taking down AV 12 or lower vehicles.

I used to love multilasers. But I don't now.

Well, I want to use the LR's for anti tank duties. I'd like to run all 3 vet squads with plasma, but want a good balance of anti-tank/ MC. Autocannons and lascannons make sense to me on the sentinels rather than plasma cannons, since I've already got a load of anti-teq in the form of 9 plasma guns.

Any thoughts? Do I have enough anti-tank/MC?

Vanquisher anyone?

Tank commander in LR Vanquisher, lascannon 175
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
2 armoured sentinels, lascannons 100
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90

OR

Tank commander in LR Vanquisher, lascannon 175
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Enginseer 40
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90


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Tank commander in LR Vanquisher, lascannon 175
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, heavy flamer Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, heavy flamer Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, heavy flamer Chimera 155
LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
2 armoured sentinels, lascannons 100

Here are my thoughts:

HQ: I don't think the Vanquisher is worth it. It's a big AV gun sure, but fires one shot and chances are it's not gonna make up its points especially with commander in it. I would go with Punisher or Executioner as one can lay down volume of shots and the other can can give MEQ killing power to an otherwise not very armor penetrating army. Your AV is covered well enough with your chimera vets anyways, a Vanquisher would be a bit redundant. Definitely upgrade your commander to Pask on your warlord tank.

What are you using your exterminators as? I'm not a big fan of them but it's personal choice. For similar points you can add battle tanks or demolishers.

Engineseer is an auto-iclude with mech lists so he looks good.

Troops: Vets list is a classic and looks good. Think about giving chimeras camo nets.

Fast attack: I think of sentinels as essentially a more mobile heavy weapons team, but they cost a whole lot more. Not to say they can't be made to work but at 2 hit points they are very fragile. Make sure to stay maneuverable and infiltrate his backfield. Use these with las cannons to hunting for his AV vehicles before he pops your troop transports.

Heavy Support: I would not take exterminators in heavy. I'm not sure what use you have in mind for them. If you're after AA, going with a Quad gun or a hydra would be cheaper, and more reliable. If you're looking for troop killers wyverns are your best friends and for the price of 2 exterminators you can bring 4 wyverns! I would suggest replacing them with demolishers and using them to spearhead your assault.

Lastly I always suggest support/buffing nits like priests/psychers to give your troops and HQ re-rolls. Otherwise looks good.

My idea behind taking the Exterminators is cus it's a generalist, able to cover AA, anti light tank and anti infantry pretty well.
I've been on the fence about the vanquisher, I only put it in cus I'm worried about lacking anti-tank.
I was thinking about sentinels just as you said, using them to get to a weak point and blast away.

I'd rather not go for pask in a punisher because it's just too many points and there are lots of other things I want to run. Although, I'm not fully set on any of the above lists. I'm currently drawn to the following:

Tank commander in LR Exterminator, lascannon 170
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
2 armoured sentinels, lascannons 100
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90
5 spare

Tank commander in LR Exterminator, lascannon 170
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Enginseer 40
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
3 armored sentinels, lascannons 150
5 spare


Tank commander in LR Vanquisher, lascannon 175
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Enginseer 40
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90

How about a command squad rather than command tank?

Command squad, 3 plasma guns, 5 carapace Chimera 180
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, carapace, Chimera 185
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, carapace, Chimera 185
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, carapace Chimera 170
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140


Or just carapace melta vets?

Tank commander in LR Exterminator, lascannon 170
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Veteran squad, 3 melta, carapace, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 melta, carapace, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 melta, carapace, Chimera 170
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90

If you don't have a company command squad and are running vets in chimeras, I don't think you need 3 special weapons. You don't really want to get out of your transports if you can help it, and only 2 guys can fire out of the top. Maybe try something like this:

Tank Commander, vanquisher, lascannon, multimeltas, hunter killer
-Executioner, heavy bolter sponsons
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera
Vets, 2 melta, chimera
2 armored sentinels (multilasers)
2 armored sentinels (multilasers)

That does make quite abit of sense. Taking that into account, how about:

With a CCS:

Command squad, 3 plasma guns, 5 carapace Chimera 180
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, carapace, Chimera 185
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, carapace, Chimera 185
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, carapace Chimera 170
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140

OR
Tank Commander,Russ Exterminator, lascannon 170
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera 155
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera 155
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera 155
2 armoured sentinels, lascannons 100
2 armoured sentinels, lascannons 100
25 spare

The way I look at tank commanders, they need to be a variant that sees a benefit from the increased BS. An exterminator is already twin-linked, so BS4 is only a marginal increase in accuracy. A punisher is a good choice, because with 20 shots you should hit 10 at BS3, but 13.3 with BS4. A BS4 vanquisher is a good tank commander choice as well for obvious reasons. The other tank should be something that uses twin-linked or blasts, in my opinion. I like to run a pair with similar ranges on their weapons and have them split fire every turn. Here are some examples:

This squad can sit 48" away effectively:
TC, Vanquisher, lascannon, hunter killer
- Exterminator, lascannon

This squad can even sit 72" away:
TC, Vanquisher, lascannon, hunter killer
- LRBT

This squad would want to utilize the 4" coherency of vehicles and stick the executioner more towards the front:
TC, Vanquisher, lascannon, hunter killer
- Executioner, plasma cannons

This is more of a close quarters squad:
TC, punisher, heavy bolters, stubber
Demolisher

Makes sense. How about this then?

Tank commander in LR Vanquisher, lascannon 175
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
2 armoured sentinels, lascannons 100
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90

or

Tank commander in LR Exterminator, lascannon 170
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90

Of the two, probably the first one.

Okay. Building on that:

Tank commander in LR Vanquisher, lascannon 175
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Enginseer 40
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 3 melta guns, Chimera 155
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90

Tank commander in LR Exterminator, lascannon 170
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
LR demolisher 170
10 spare

Tank commander in LR Exterminator, lascannon 170
-LR Exterminator, lascannon 140
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
LR demolisher 170
10 spare

OR

Tank Commander,Russ Exterminator, lascannon 170
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera 155
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera 155
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera 155
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90

Allied Inquisitor, ML1 30, 15 spare for upgrades

The points about both Pask and a Punisher have already been made - though 2 exterminators looks good and is a top tier choice.

(in a world of vehicle jinking / bs eldar shields rending weight of fire can sometimes trump heavy one shots by some margin for effective killing)

You could lose hull lascannons IMO on one for any point void creating you need.

Id suggest subbing out 2 plasmas for 2 melts for vehicle killing variety.

A demolisher is pretty cool - maybe try and get swapable turrets with battle cannon as you may be missing out on ur first shot in some games due to range and placement.

I play a list v similar to yours - even with no changes you will win lots of games by presenting so much armour. That and 9 multi laser / HB shots for ur chimeras will steadily thin out a rather wide variety of stuff.

Alright then. Do you see any holes in the list that need plugging? At the moment I like the looks of:

Tank Commander,Russ Exterminator, lascannon 170
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera, carapace 170
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera, carapace 170
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera, carapace 170
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90

I would be down for adding in 2 Wyverns?

 trephines wrote:
Alright then. Do you see any holes in the list that need plugging? At the moment I like the looks of:

Tank Commander,Russ Exterminator, lascannon 170
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera, carapace 170
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera, carapace 170
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera, carapace 170
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90
2 armoured sentinels, autocannons 90

I would be down for adding in 2 Wyverns?

What are your sentinels meant to do here? Wyverns would be good - which can be bought for the cost of ur carapace and sentinels almost.

That would be the filth optimised version of this rather than the merely quite filthy - are playing friends?

Command squad, 3 plasma guns, Chimera 170
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Wyvern 65
30 spare

Tank Commander,Russ Exterminator, lascannon 170
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera, carapace 170
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera, carapace 170
Vets, 2 plasma, chimera, carapace 170
Wyvern 65
Wyvern 65
50 spare, 95 if carapace are removed.

CCS, lascannon, chimera 145
PCS, plasma gun 50
Infantry squad, plasma gun 65
Infantry squad, plasma gun 65
Infantry squad, plasma gun 65
Infantry squad, plasma gun 65
Infantry squad, plasma gun 65
Heavy weapon squad, 2 autocannons, lascannon 85
Heavy weapon squad, 2 autocannons, lascannon 85
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155

Thought I'd try my hand with less mech. The CCS would stay back with the HWS while the footslogging infantry squads would split into blob(s) for meat shielding/ camping. The vets would be for objective grabbing and any AV14 while the Taurox squad fill in any gaps.


CCS, autocannon, vox, chimera 140
PCS, vox 40
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, autocannon, vox 70
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, autocannon, vox 70
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, autocannon 65
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, autocannon 65
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145
Leman Russ Exterminator 130
Leman Russ Exterminator 130

CCS, lascannon, plasma gun, chimera, vox 165
PCS, plasma gun, vox 55
Infantry squad, plasma gun, vox 70
Infantry squad, plasma gun 65
Infantry squad, plasma gun 65
Infantry squad, melta gun, krak grenades, Taurox 120
Heavy weapon squad, 2 autocannons, lascannon 85
Heavy weapon squad, 2 autocannons, lascannon 85
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145

CCS, lascannon, chimera, vox 150
PCS, vox 40
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, vox 60
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, vox 60
Infantry squad, grenade launcher 55
Infantry squad, grenade launcher 55
Infantry squad, melta gun, krak grenades, Taurox 120
Heavy weapon squad, 2 autocannons, lascannon 85
Heavy weapon squad, 2 autocannons, lascannon 85
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145

OR

CCS, lascannon, chimera, vox 150
PCS, plasma gun, vox 55
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, vox 60
Infantry squad, grenade launcher 55
Infantry squad, grenade launcher 55
Infantry squad, grenade launcher 55
Infantry squad, melta gun, krak grenades, Taurox 120
Heavy weapon squad, 3 autocannons 75
Heavy weapon squad, 3 autocannons 75
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145

But if I did go mech...

CCS, lascannon, chimera, vox 150
PCS, plasma gun, vox 55
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, vox 60
Infantry squad, grenade launcher 55
Infantry squad, grenade launcher 55
Infantry squad, grenade launcher 55
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140

CCS, lascannon, chimera, vox 150
PCS, grenade launcher vox 45
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, autocannon, vox 70
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, autocannon 65
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, autocannon 65
Heavy weapon squad, 3 autocannons 75
Infantry squad, melta gun, krak grenades, Taurox 120
Infantry squad, melta gun, krak grenades, Taurox 120
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145

CCS, 2 melta, chimera, vox 150
PCS, vox 40
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, vox 60
Infantry squad, grenade launcher, vox 60
Infantry squad, grenade launcher 55
Infantry squad, grenade launcher 55
Vets, 2 melta, chimera, vox 150
Vets, 2 melta, chimera, vox 150
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140

CCS, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Taurox 140
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Taurox 140
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Wyvern 65
Wyvern 65

CCS, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Wyvern 65
35 spare

You've posted 12 lists across 4 simultaneous posts. That's a lot to critique, lol.

This one is my favorite:

CCS, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Taurox 140
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Taurox 140
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140
Wyvern 65
Wyvern 65

Although I would give the Chimera Veteran squad 3 Meltaguns instead of 2 Plasmaguns, in case you are up against AV14. 2 BS3 Lascannons is not enough to kill a Land Raider reliably.

It is an awful lot to critique, thanks for the input! Would that be enough though? I wouldn't mind going for 2 squads of 3 meltas.

Is 1k enough to do a decent foot list? I'm used to Space Marines and it seems veterans are much closer to what I'm used to.

I've noticed that you are trying to play this army like Space Marines (aka Veterans in Chimeras instead of Tacticals in Rhinos). I would try to avoid that and capitalize on what IG are good at - lots of bodies and lots of armor. Keep the infantry cheap!

1k can definitely make a good foot list. Something like:

CCS 80
-Lascannon

2x Ministorum Priest 50

PCS 40
-Autocannon
3x Infantry Squads 195
-Meltagun, Sergeant has Meltabombs
4x Heavy Weapon Squads 300
-Autocannons

PCS 40
-Autocannon
3x Infantry Squads 195
-Meltagun, Sergeant has Meltabombs

Aegis Defense Line w/ Quad Gun 100

The Infantry Squads combine and are joined by the Priests to for two 31-man squads that move forward and take objectives. These squads are very hard to get rid of thanks to the Priest's Zealot rule.

The rest of the army (PCS, 2x CCS, 4x Heavy Weapon Squads) hides behind the ADL and shoots enemy light armor and mobile units (bikes, jump infantry, etc).

You have 89 models in 1,000 points. This list would be fun to play and pretty effective. A Regimental Standard on the CCS wouldn't hurt, but I couldn't find the points.

Have you ever considered Grenadiers for the bets? 4+ could be helpful against the many Gets Hot! results you'll inevitably get. Also, regarding Tank Commanders: much of his point cost is paying for his ability to give Ld9 orders to his own talk squadron, so you won't get to capitalize on this much if he's alone.I like to run the commander with Executioners and/or LRBTs.

 Owain wrote:
...so you won't get to capitalize on this much if he's alone.I like to run the commander with Executioners and/or LRBTs.

Tank Commanders cannot be taken alone, the codex requires you to take another Leman Russ variant with him. The lists above have an extra Leman Russ in the squadron with the Tank Commander.

My mistake; it's never come up for me since I always run three in my command squadron. My recommendation to reassign one in this manner stands, however; unless you have a specific need for it to be off on its own somewhere, you may as well capitalize on the special Orders you're paying for.

Owain that was my plan if Iran two Executioners. I'd essentially be using them to fill in whatever gaps I've left due to points limitations, i.e anti-tank, MC and flier.

I've decided I want to go for veterans. I'm now leaning much more towards this:

CCS, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 plasma guns, Chimera 155
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145
Veteran squad, 2 melta guns, Chimera 145
Tank Commander, Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 180
Leman Russ Exterminator, lascannon 140 (in squadron with tank commander)
Wyvern 65
15 spare, 80 without Wyvern

Why are you taking a CCS over a Veteran Squad? The Tank Commander is a more durable Warlord, and taking Veterans gives you a larger unit with Objective Secured. I'd then spend your extra 15 points on a few Flamers to spread amongst your squads. A little versatility would be nice.

Something like:
Tank Commander - Exterminator with Lascannon
Exterminator with Lascannon

Veteran Squad - 2 Plasmaguns, Chimera
Veteran Squad - 2 Plasmaguns, Chimera
Veteran Squad - 2 Meltaguns, Flamer, Chimera
Veteran Squad - 2 Meltaguns, Heavy Flamer, Chimera

Wyvern