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If i have Admonition on my model and charge an enemy model who also has it, would their advance (from Admonition) trigger my advance (from Admonition) thus ending with my model still in melee range with the enemy?

Also, would I lose my Inital charge attack?

 Emperors_Champion wrote:
If i have Admonition on my model and charge an enemy model who also has it, would their advance (from Admonition) trigger my advance (from Admonition) thus ending with my model still in melee range with the enemy?

Yes.

 Emperors_Champion wrote:

Also, would I lose my Inital charge attack?

No. Both Admonition moves are made before the charge attack, so if after both moves you are still within melee range of your charge target, you would still get your charge attack.

Thanks mate. Just the answers I was hoping for! It's nice to know that I plan to assassinate my friends legally!

I just about facepalmed when I realized admonition could be used offensively, lol. I imagine this could also be used for a counter-charge.

Charge target, get counter-charged by another model, admonition a couple inches, beat down original target with impunity.

If you have a model with counter-charge you could charge a target, the target admonitions and, then you counter charge the target netting you 2 charge attacks (1 for the original attack and 1 for the countercharge)

If you counter-slam and admonition, you can be charged, move 3" back, then immediately slam the person who charged you.

It's a neat/annoying little trick, depending on which side you're on.

Would that work if the charging model moves base to base before admontion?

Which army with which models has counter slam and admonition?

Baxx wrote:
Would that work if the charging model moves base to base before admontion?

Which army with which models has counter slam and admonition?

It works because the condition for Counter-Charge/Slam is met as soon as a model ends their movement within 6". After the trigger happens you check the next step to see if you can continue with the charge, which is the check for engagement. The way these two abilities interact mean that the controling player can choose the order to trigger them - if a model ends their movement within 6" then Admonition and Counter Charge both trigger. You can then choose to resolve the Admonition move first and then do the Counter Charge, and as long as you are no longer engaged after the Admonition move you can complete the Counter Charge (so assuming their is clear space all around you even going base to base with a reach model isn't going to prevent them disengaging). It obviously doesn't work the other way around, because if you resolve the Counter Charge first then as soon as you get to the first condition of the ability you can no longer complete the Charge.

I don't actually think there are any armies which have Counter Slam and Admonition. There are definitely armies which have Counter-Charge (which is almost the same ability) and Admonition - pMorghul and the Bronzeback Titan is the most obvious example.

The following situations with Admonition and Counter-X are possible.


Model A charges Model B, both have Admonition.

Model A moves into melee range(charge=successful), Model B triggers Admonition and moves 3", This triggers Admonition on Model A, model A moves into melee range. Model A takes its initials as normal.


Model A charges Model B. Model B has Admonition, Model A has Counter Charge.

Model A moves into melee range(charge=successful), Model B triggers Admonition and moves 3". Counter Charge on Model A is triggered, Model A charges Model B and gets a single charge attack. Model A then takes initials as normal.(effectively netting a free charge attack in addition to its normal initials(one of which will also be a charge attack))


Model A charges Model B. Model B has Admonition, Model A has Counter Slam.

Model A moves into melee range(charge=successful), Model B triggers Admonition and moves 3". Counter Slam on Model A is triggered, Model A slams model B. Model A may then make its combat action as normal(taking its charge attack against model B if its still in melee, otherwise it may redirect its attacks at other models in its melee range.)


This is assuming the normal requirements of the Counter Charge/Slam are still met(not being engaged, enemy model ends an advance within the required distance, etc...)

Templar- I'm afraid that either I don't understand your nomenclature or you are wrong with your scenerios.
In the first screnerio after both models have completed their admonintion moves model A gets its charge attack and then can continue with its other initial and bought attacks(if any). This is because Model A has completed a successful charge and is still in melee range with Model B at the end of all movement.

Just for kicks I will add in another scenerio- Model A successfully charges model B. Model B has both admonition and counter slam. After Model A finishes its movement Model B then admonitions 3" away and then counter slams Model A. Model A is now out of melee range of model B but may take normal initials and bought attacks at any target that is in its melee range.

A charge attack is an initial attack. Its taking them as normal.

And yes, your new scenario works too.

A charge attack is a type of initial attack but not all initial attacks are charge attacks. That's why I sought clarification.