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Hello again, I know I have been posting a few times recently upon Vanilla SM and switching to DA. Unfortunately when it comes to trying to get back into this hobby this is how I am. I start with an idea and stretch it then look back into DA, create lists then feel lacking with them then end up back where I started for the very first time. With Kayyoss.

I am fond of all the marks but with this list I want to make the daemon engines and other vehicles work.

The base idea is formed around 2 Maulerfiends (both basic so thats 250 points already used). I really do like the helbrute models and I know walkers aren't the top favourite right now but talking to my brother 2 Helbrutes combined with 2 Maulerfiends in 1000 poitnts can just simply overwhelm the opponent no?

The base set up would be:

Helbrute - 110
plasma cannon, fist

Helbrute - 110
plasma cannon, fist

Maulerfiend - 125
Maulerfiend - 125

So that is up to 470 points, which to me isnt too bad an investement for 2 super fast tank killers, and 2 dreads that can provide cover fire for them with the PC so they can kill any transports/any infantry types.

The theme of my army is based on the "Fallen." This time i thought it would be a cool idea to still have some men covered in robes and still a slight feature of the deathwing and ravenwing. So a fast mobile and hard hitting army. The idea of two 5 man raptor squads with flamers (would need to replace the helbrutes to make up points) to race forward and mince light infantry then tie up any bigger guns in infantry squads appeals to me.

My main problem is fitting in a Chaos Lord and a unit for him into this sort of list, and also trying to chose a mark so I can work on my troop choices. I would prefer it to be Slaanesh, but the box set I would be getting provides a 5 man term squad and a CL/Sorc in terminator armour so i am not sure if slaanesh terminators would be the best as I would need a fist or 2 in the squad to help with any tougher untis I am caught up with wasting the +1 I i get from MoS.

Any thoughts and opinions on which mark?(I dont want the typical MoN Lord on bike with spawn/bikers). I prefer my raptors to bikes so a theme around raptors and the maulers is what I am looking for.

If anyone can help with ideas for the HQ and troops I would be grateful, Thanks in advance.

I play Chaos mech a lot. It can be very effective but you really have to get the most out of your models.

2 Maulerfiends are just evil. An opponent who didnt bring enough anti tank will have a lot of trouble dealing with how fast these things are.

I am a personal fan of hellbrutes. Every time I bring them they do great for me. However, I would say that if you are going to bring them bring 3. Use the Mayhem pack formation which gives them IWND and deepstrike. This puts pressure on your opponent and gives the hellbrutes a way to get into combat easily.

A lord or sorcerer with a jetpack could work great. Though with your list I would give the lord the mark of khorne or slaanesh if you dont want MoN. If he is with terminators tzeentch is also not a bad choice for the 4++ invuln.

Consider a warpsmith? People rag on them but I love them.

Just my two cents.

Have you thought about this?

Sorc-60
10 cultist-50
10 cultist-50

3 Mauler fiends 375

CAD2
Sorc 60
10 cult-50
10 cult-50

3 Mauler fiends 375

total 1070. Maybe drop 1 mauler fiend and take another squad of cultist. Or drop 1 mauler fiend and spend points on upgrades such as lasher tendrils to counter hordes.

I am a personal fan of hellbrutes. Every time I bring them they do great for me. However, I would say that if you are going to bring them bring 3. Use the Mayhem pack formation which gives them IWND and deepstrike. This puts pressure on your opponent and gives the hellbrutes a way to get into combat easily.

Glad to hear they work out for you, the amount of negative thoughts on units sometimes can just be disheartening. I would like to upgrade them to the mayhem pack as the IWND would be insane but at 1000 points i dont think i could fit it in.

A lord or sorcerer with a jetpack could work great. Though with your list I would give the lord the mark of khorne or slaanesh if you dont want MoN. If he is with terminators tzeentch is also not a bad choice for the 4++ invuln.

I did think of the jet pack idea to be honest and the MoK but was uncertain. Wanting the 2 fast raptor squads with flamers I would need to add a 3rd on for the HQ I chose and make it a bit tougher so it won't die as easily.
However my thoughts on the fluff because they were formally DA, having my lord in terminator armour goes well with it.

My ideas for a terminator lord would be:

Chaos Lord - 132 (cheap and cheeful)
Terminator Armour, MoK, combi-melta, power fist (or power axe)

Terminator Squad - 211
Terminators x4 + Champ, combi-melta x4, heavy flamer, power fist, power axe x2 and MoK


OR

Chaos Lord -
Terminator Armour, MoT, power axe, combi-melta/BBoS

probably run the same squad of terms but with MoT

I would probably DS them in and use the meltas to pop a tank then proceed to hunt infantry with the flamer and mop them up in CC and let the Maulers do the work.

Although I almost have no points left after this squad 2 Helbrutes and 2 Maulers for my troops, I could maybe fit in a 10 csm with flamers in a rhino to contest objectives and squeeze a tiny squad of cultists to camp an objective behind cover on my side

Thoughts?

All combos of those lords would work, however I would give him the burning brand (if you can find the points) rather than a combi melta.

I find that at 1k points terminators tend to fall short. Either they dont come in when you need them or they dont make their points back in assault.

If you are very committed to terminators and mech you will really run into issues fitting regular csm in your list. If you take two small squads of cultists you can fit in your terminators, 2 maulerfiends and 3 hellbrutes. While itself is a very powerful list you are running the risk of your troops getting easily destroyed.

I worked up a MoK list last night so here it is

Chaos Lord - 120
MoK, jump pack, aura of dark glory, power axe

Helbrute - 110
Plasma Cannon

Chaos Squad 1 - 195
Chaos Marines x9 + Champ, meltagun x2
rhino

Chaos Squad 2 - 154
Chaos Marines x7 + Champ, flamer
Rhino

Raptor Squad - 172
Raptors x7 + Champ, flamer x2, MoK

Maulerfiend - 125
Maulerfiend - 125

I know I wanted the dual helbrutes but with no room for the points to fit the 2nd in, one will have to do. Although with pretty much my whole list moving at 12" or more a turn the Helbrute may be a bit out of place with the fast pace.

I am not sure what I could replace with it though, any thoughts on what could? and the list as a whole?

for 1000 points my biggest worry is my brothers nids. He has something like Swamlord with 3 tyrant guard, 2 zoans, tervigons and 60 odd gaunts. Me and my other brother have no clue how to fight it....


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or i can run this with MoS

Chaos Lord - 125
MoS, jump pack, aura of dark glory, power sword/maul

Helbrute - 110
Plasma Cannon

Chaos Marine Squad - 195
Chaos Marines x9 + Champ, meltagun x2
Rhino - 40
dirge caster

Noise Marine Squad - 125
Noise Marine x4 + Champ, blastmaster

Noise Marine Squad - 125
Noise Marines x4 + Champ, blastmaster

Raptor Squad - 172
Raptors x7 + Champ, flamer x2, MoS

Maulerfiend - 125
Maulerfiend - 125

Both seem like good lists, if you are worried about monstrous creatures I would recommend the tri las predator, its cheap-ish and really hurts big things.

If you are more worried about the large number of gaunts then a vindicator. As this can really kill hordes and hurt monstrous creatures. Both come in at around 140 points so if you can find 30 points somewhere and drop the hellbrute your golden.

Other than that chaos has a lot of problems I find with horde armies.

I'd run a lord with a spawn unit. A jugger lord + 5 spawn fills your HQ and should be a good Death Star with the brutes. Plus you send them after the meltas instead of the av.

Think I will skip the juggerlord and spawn for now. But thanks for the advice guys, appreciate it