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I recently heard a neck-beard tribunal discuss the Sanguinor and typical of all such meetings, sources could not be found.

I ask you all if there is any merit to the following argument:

The Sanguinor is the phsychic embodiment of Sanguinius, a Primarch who lived half-in and half-out of the warp already and who passed this trait onto his sons who were all linked inexorably to his own curse. That said, when he died and the reverberations of his death continued until this day, he began to come together again in the warp. He is using his own sons to try and piece himself back together and as he grows stronger, the black rage grows more prevalent. The rage sparks up in each marine he tries to communicate with and instead cripples them. Still, these marines are given over to trying to restore Sanguinius to his lost legion. The Lamenters, those BA space marines who defeated the Black Rage, are actively making things worse by not allowing him to utilize all of his sons to come back together and be born again into reality on a permanent basis. If this is true, the Sanguinor is responsible for all the horrible things that happen to the Lamenters in an effort to wipe them out and be reborn.

My beef with this idea is that the Lamenters came about in the 36th millennium. Either the theory holds water and Sanguinius simply wasn't strong enough then, or it pokes a hole so big the whole thing falls apart. Also, I don't think Sanguinius would willingly kill his sons, no matter how disconnected.

Just the idea that the Sanguinor is the psychic embodiment of Sanguinius cannot be proven. It is only one of the theories of his existence.

In fact, one of the more recent HH short stories could easily be used as an argument for the theory that he is actually an ancient member of the IX legion.

 Orblivion wrote:
Just the idea that the Sanguinor is the psychic embodiment of Sanguinius cannot be proven. It is only one of the theories of his existence.

In fact, one of the more recent HH short stories could easily be used as an argument for the theory that he is actually an ancient member of the IX legion.

I'm not a fan of the posted theory, but I'm less a fan of the Azkaellon theory. It strikes me as silly that a run of the mill space marine would 1) live so long 2) be able to match one of his Primarch's greatest feats by defeating the daemon.

Like most, I'd love it if Space Jesus came back, but these theories leave a bad taste. You know?

If your gonna make a thread called "Question on the Sanguinor" you should probably stick some question marks in your post.

What are you asking?

My theory on the Sanguinor is that all Blood Angels have inherited some suppressed psychic potential from Sanguinius and when they are stressed and the odds are against them this psychic potential manifests itself in the form of the Sanguinor. Hence why he appears and disappears so suddenly.

 Shidank wrote:
I recently heard a neck-beard tribunal discuss the Sanguinor and typical of all such meetings, sources could not be found.

I ask you all if there is any merit to the following argument:

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Taffy17 wrote:
My theory on the Sanguinor is that all Blood Angels have inherited some suppressed psychic potential from Sanguinius and when they are stressed and the odds are against them this psychic potential manifests itself in the form of the Sanguinor. Hence why he appears and disappears so suddenly.

I actually like this theory when compared to the convoluted metaphysics proposed by said tribunal.

As a longstanding officer of the Neckbeard Tribunal, I condemn the theory described by OP. Sounds like somebody was half-remembering Star Child when trying to explain the Black Rage.

 Shidank wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:
Just the idea that the Sanguinor is the psychic embodiment of Sanguinius cannot be proven. It is only one of the theories of his existence.

In fact, one of the more recent HH short stories could easily be used as an argument for the theory that he is actually an ancient member of the IX legion.

I'm not a fan of the posted theory, but I'm less a fan of the Azkaellon theory. It strikes me as silly that a run of the mill space marine would 1) live so long 2) be able to match one of his Primarch's greatest feats by defeating the daemon.

Like most, I'd love it if Space Jesus came back, but these theories leave a bad taste. You know?

Sorry, it was an audiobook I was thinking of. In it some members of the Sanguinary Guard perform a ritual to turn one of their members into the original Sanguinor. It is during Sanguinius' rule over the Imperium Secundus, and the reasoning behind the Sanguinor was for him to be a proxy to stand in for Sanguinius at times. The marine that becomes the Sanguinor in the story isn't Azkaellon, although Azkaellon is present for the ritual.

 Shidank wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:
Just the idea that the Sanguinor is the psychic embodiment of Sanguinius cannot be proven. It is only one of the theories of his existence.

In fact, one of the more recent HH short stories could easily be used as an argument for the theory that he is actually an ancient member of the IX legion.

I'm not a fan of the posted theory, but I'm less a fan of the Azkaellon theory. It strikes me as silly that a run of the mill space marine would 1) live so long 2) be able to match one of his Primarch's greatest feats by defeating the daemon.

Like most, I'd love it if Space Jesus came back, but these theories leave a bad taste. You know?

We know it's not Azkaellon, however he was the one who performed the ritual that created the Sanguinor. From the description of the ritual in Herald of Sanguinius, it isn't even clear if the marine chosen for the ritual survives the process or if instead the marine's spirit is bound to the simulacrum gold body that was created to act as a mouthpiece in Sanguinius's stead. Or it's possible that the marine does survive the process and, like Cypher, might be replaced over the millennia. Perhaps one Blood Angel successor maintains the secret to the Sanguinor's creation and is responsible for providing the marine who will be chosen to be his replacement. Or maybe because Imperium Secundus never came to pass, it no longer served a purpose and was given its freedom by Sanguinius. There are plenty of interesting theories and I find them far more interesting than "the psychic embodiment of Sanguinius."

Personally, I think that he is the same Marine as the one that gets bound to be the Sanguinor, only now he's the equivalent of one of the Emperor's Daemons. My pet theory is that the Emperor is slowly manifesting himself as a God of Order, and all of the Psykers that he is feeding off of are giving him more and more power, and the the Legion of the Damned, Sanguinor, etc. are all just the Emperor's Daemons, who are tiny in number but slowly growing in number as the millenia wear on. I also believe that it is a possibility that the Emperor's soul began saving the Primarch's souls as the Primarchs died, and saved Sanguinius as Sanguinius was being devoured by Daemons, and now the Primarchs are waiting for the Emperor to die so that they can take their places as the Emperor's Daemon Princes/ Archangels.

 dusara217 wrote:
Personally, I think that he is the same Marine as the one that gets bound to be the Sanguinor, only now he's the equivalent of one of the Emperor's Daemons. My pet theory is that the Emperor is slowly manifesting himself as a God of Order, and all of the Psykers that he is feeding off of are giving him more and more power, and the the Legion of the Damned, Sanguinor, etc. are all just the Emperor's Daemons, who are tiny in number but slowly growing in number as the millenia wear on. I also believe that it is a possibility that the Emperor's soul began saving the Primarch's souls as the Primarchs died, and saved Sanguinius as Sanguinius was being devoured by Daemons, and now the Primarchs are waiting for the Emperor to die so that they can take their places as the Emperor's Daemon Princes/ Archangels.

At this point I think the theory I like best is that it is a hybrid of the two theories the codex presented to us. It is technically the same marine who underwent the ritual to become the original Sanguinor, but he has become a warp entity tied to Sanguinius' soul. We have already seen that his soul still exists even in the 41st millenium, and he is watching over the Blood Angels still. So it is the same idea as any other daemon really, the marine retained his identity but he is empowered by Sanguinius now.

 Orblivion wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
Personally, I think that he is the same Marine as the one that gets bound to be the Sanguinor, only now he's the equivalent of one of the Emperor's Daemons. My pet theory is that the Emperor is slowly manifesting himself as a God of Order, and all of the Psykers that he is feeding off of are giving him more and more power, and the the Legion of the Damned, Sanguinor, etc. are all just the Emperor's Daemons, who are tiny in number but slowly growing in number as the millenia wear on. I also believe that it is a possibility that the Emperor's soul began saving the Primarch's souls as the Primarchs died, and saved Sanguinius as Sanguinius was being devoured by Daemons, and now the Primarchs are waiting for the Emperor to die so that they can take their places as the Emperor's Daemon Princes/ Archangels.

At this point I think the theory I like best is that it is a hybrid of the two theories the codex presented to us. It is technically the same marine who underwent the ritual to become the original Sanguinor, but he has become a warp entity tied to Sanguinius' soul. We have already seen that his soul still exists even in the 41st millenium, and he is watching over the Blood Angels still. So it is the same idea as any other daemon really, the marine retained his identity but he is empowered by Sanguinius now.

Too bad he's utter crap on the tabletop, though :(