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For now, the concern is not whether I will be allowed to use these HH-era units in my C:CSM army in my local area games. I'll take that as it comes, and I am fairly certain my gaming group would not bat an eye as long as the models match (and by the Gods, they will. The models are beyond glorious.) Plus, it's very FW-friendly. So, for the sake of this discussion, let's just assume the FOC part of the deal is solved.

What I do wonder is how good the Mhara Gal and Gal Vorbak is going to do in practice, especially in tandem with C:CSM? They are obviously more effective than their codex equivalents (Helbrute and Possessed) but do you think they are significantly so?

In a word: no. They are better than their CSM equivalents, but they still suffer from the same general problems.

Gal Vorback will beat up Guardsmen and Tactical Squads fairly decently, but with a 3+ 5++ and 6'' move, they're very susceptible to simply getting gunned down without an assault vehicle transport. They're also very vulnerable to tar-pitting, as they aren't fast enough to pick their targets. At 30ppm and 200 points minimum, it'll be a hard pill to swallow watching the squad get crippled by plasma guns the turn they DS or tar-pitted by 90 points of termagaunts for 5 turns. Running them in an assault vehicle would imo be the most effective way to field them, but that's a high price to pay for a unit that's already so expensive on foot. Terminator syndrome.

I like the Dreadnought better, as its slew of special rules makes it a bit more killy and survivable. But at the end of the day it's still just a dreadnought, meaning it can be glanced to death, tarpitted by fearless douchebags, etc. Being able to force leadership tests could be pretty damn hilarious though since 40K has a lot more leadership 7 in it. If I were to field it, I'd probably keep it back for most of the game in cover, maybe camping an objective, and use it to counter-charge and force leadership tests with pot-shots.

Edit- I can't at the moment recall how the Word Bearers legion tactics work, so there's something I could be forgetting that'd make the units better.

 BlaxicanX wrote:


Edit- I can't at the moment recall how the Word Bearers legion tactics work, so there's something I could be forgetting that'd make the units better.

Neither of the models have Legiones Astartes among their special rules so they don't get any of that.

Ah. Well there you go. How competitive is your meta? Is anyone else running a 30K army?

I also noticed a problem with the Gal Vorbak unit; the base unit of 4 guys + 1 leader costs 50 points more than it would to buy 5 additional guys to the squad, so the squad leader basically costs 50 points extra for +1 wound, +1 attack, +1 LD and access to more options.

And that is pretty nasty.

That said, the leader has acess to AA, and if you give him a power weapon (maul?) he is capable of taking on even some weaker HQs in challenges thanks to his neat statline.


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 BlaxicanX wrote:
Ah. Well there you go. How competitive is your meta? Is anyone else running a 30K army?

No, we are all rather uncompetetive. The SM player has lots of Tactical Marines and Sicarius, the Ork player just takes what he likes (and uses the old codex), and so on. My own army is usually a mixed CSM force with melee chosen + Kharn, adaptable chosen, a defiler, a vindicator, raptors, a forgefiend, cultists, base CSM, terminators, havocs...

No one else uses 30k units, though FW is generally regarded with approval.