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Pretty much what the title says, I've been trying to make them work with little success. Maybe I'm using them wrong or having really bad luck with them. I've ran them with festus for regen and posin attacks.

 SheSpits wrote:
Pretty much what the title says, I've been trying to make them work with little success. Maybe I'm using them wrong or having really bad luck with them. I've ran them with festus for regen and posin attacks.

So good to finally weigh in on them. I have found success using them as anvils and devoting my core to hammers but currently they are overpriced to be truly "worth it" they just aren't worth 40pts with movement-4 and being stomped to death. I do like to buff with lore of nurgle but I think they should lose 5pts a model or get regen standard

Regen standard would really help them out, I had a bastidon break them due to stomps. I keep trying to figure a way to keep them in my list. I want to stay pure nurgle and the BK where a great idea and such awesome models! Festus helps them out with posion attacks and regen. They performed once for me against a unit of dragon princes, they took the charge and slowly grinded them down.

Yea BKs are pretty cool I love the models and I don't mind playing them even if they are sub-optimal. I suggest playing them like I do my Empire Greatswords. They will die, but that's their job. Just to do it slow, while your halberds mop up.


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Just run them bare bones and keep em small. Units of 5 so they hit with great weapons and if they lose combat it won't be a huge loss of models left over from the fight

Honestly, I think that they might have been intended to be Monstrous Infantry but lost the status due to some factor that will become clear if/when a new edition shows up.

My younger brother has used them to pretty good effect though from what I've seen, but the person he used them against was playing Skaven.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, I think that they might have been intended to be Monstrous Infantry but lost the status due to some factor that will become clear if/when a new edition shows up.

My younger brother has used them to pretty good effect though from what I've seen, but the person he used them against was playing Skaven.

You'd think that, but the new Khorne ones are also infantry despite being on a 40mm base.

The problem with them is a few fold.

1) They aren't monstrous infantry.

For the point cost, i would want stomps. More importantly, to make it worth their cost, i'd want full alotment of attacks in the 2nd rank. Without that, you're stuck between a choice of not really great evils ; probably lose to combat res and no way in hell you're getting steadfast, or sink a TON of points into something that will be 33% effective beyond rank 1. It really is a double whammy.

2) They aren't fast enough or maeuverable enough to make good flankers.


Really the crux is #1. Make them monstrous infantry, and they are a pricey, but pretty decent unit i could see with some uses in bigger games properly supported. The fact that they are "normal" infantry.... yeah... just kinda hard to justify.

Which sucks, i really love the models, and when i was toying with a Legions of Chaos army wanted to use them.


It's not that they're bad, its that they're expensive for what they do, and for the same points, there's just .... a significant amount of better options.

 Haight wrote:
It's not that they're bad, its that they're expensive for what they do, and for the same points, there's just .... a significant amount of better options.

On the flipside, when we first saw the leaked rules and thought they were MI, I thought they were wildly undercosted and appeared to invalidate many other MI options. I was happy to see them fall into a different category (hyper elite infantry) ... but I suppose now it's unfortunate such cool models appear so hampered by the rules. But such is the fate of like 50% of all chaos troops nowadays (more probably considering what people actually use from Beasts)

- Salvage

*Gawk*

There are people who think they need to be tougher? Innate Regeneration? That's crazy! They are cheap as dirt and hard as nails already. They fight better than Chaos Ogres with Mark of Nurgle (which is their most direct competition) despite not costing as many points and not being monstrous infantry.

I've used them a bunch, they are great. VP denial since they won't die unless something monstrous obliterates them. They crush almost any enemy unit. Take a unit of 10 with full command, you won't regret it.

I feel beast of nurgle do a much better job.

 welshhoppo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, I think that they might have been intended to be Monstrous Infantry but lost the status due to some factor that will become clear if/when a new edition shows up.

My younger brother has used them to pretty good effect though from what I've seen, but the person he used them against was playing Skaven.

You'd think that, but the new Khorne ones are also infantry despite being on a 40mm base.

Like I said, I think there will be something if/when a new edition shows up.

I'm kind of hopeful for some kind of alteration(or outright deletion) to the Monstrous Infantry category which will make units like the new Khorne infantry and Blightkings make a lot more sense.

They would work if models in the second rank were allowed to use all their attacks as support attacks, my Chaos Warriors are sad that its one attack each.

 Boss Salvage wrote:

 Haight wrote:
It's not that they're bad, its that they're expensive for what they do, and for the same points, there's just .... a significant amount of better options.

On the flipside, when we first saw the leaked rules and thought they were MI, I thought they were wildly undercosted and appeared to invalidate many other MI options. I was happy to see them fall into a different category (hyper elite infantry) ... but I suppose now it's unfortunate such cool models appear so hampered by the rules. But such is the fate of like 50% of all chaos troops nowadays (more probably considering what people actually use from Beasts)

- Salvage

Yeah 40 points for MI with all their other stuff would be absurd. MI (for me) would fairly put them in the 48-52 per range. Which would be pricey, but worth it.


... its a shame because the models are absolutely gorgeous. I might pick up some to supplement my ogre army with a bit of mutating chaos vibe to it.


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 welshhoppo wrote:
They would work if models in the second rank were allowed to use all their attacks as support attacks, my Chaos Warriors are sad that its one attack each.

Exactly.

Even if they were 45 points a pop, and had a rule that allowed full attacks in second rank, but no stomp (so basically mostly monstrous infantry), they'd be fine.

40kenthusiast wrote:
*Gawk*

There are people who think they need to be tougher? Innate Regeneration? That's crazy! They are cheap as dirt and hard as nails already. They fight better than Chaos Ogres with Mark of Nurgle (which is their most direct competition) despite not costing as many points and not being monstrous infantry.

I've used them a bunch, they are great. VP denial since they won't die unless something monstrous obliterates them. They crush almost any enemy unit. Take a unit of 10 with full command, you won't regret it.

I was that person and in my defense I was trying to find a way that made them work because they do not as is. I disagree with your statement about chaos ogres with mark of nurgle. With all the auto hits especially from the charge they don't stand a chance. At 40pts they show should be movement 5 and have monstrous support like others have suggested.