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Hi Chaps

I wonder if someone could help me figure something out which didn't sound right to me. I played a game this weekend against a Marine player who used Thunderfire cannons which are Barrage. I understand barrage weapons do their damage where they land (IE. the centre of a squad, not the front like normal shooting) but this player was insisting the model at the centre of the blast marker took ALL the hits first.

Example - He was targeting my GK Libby/term squad and at least 2 blast markers were centred over my libby. Those blasts racked up about 6 hits by covering the libby and 2 of his pals. I would have thought 2/6 hits would have to be taken on the libby (or look out sir'ed) and the remaining 4 taken on the squad. But he insisted all 6 are taken on the libby because he was the centre model. This made no sense to me because not all 6 hits were counted by the marker being over him.

Hope this makes sense and someone can help me figure it out. The BRB makes it clear that you take wounds from where the blast lands but after that it is not 100% clear IMO.

Wounds are allocated from the center of the blast - meaning you count up all the wounds (6) and allocate and resolve them, one at a time, to the model closest to the center of the blast.

It's no different from if your Libby was at the front of the squad and you took a bunch of bolter fire - the Libby would have to make all the saves first.

Your opponent was correct - Barrage can snipe models.

OK well it still sounds illogical to me, but at least I got clarification. Thanks for your help.

In the case of multiple barrage (such as the Thunderfire) then it's the centre of the first marker that determines where the wounds are allocated from.

Yeah that makes even less sense to me. Shells land in a different part of the squad but the first guy has to take them all even when he isn't being hit??

Hope GW revisit this in 9th. I know you cant always apply logic to 40k rules but this is just odd.

Last edition you allocated from the centre of each blast in multiple barrage.
Honestly it was a pain. Took an age to work out each shot. As soon as you stated taking more than 3 shots, you had to spend the rest of the day working them out.
Might not make much sense, but it's a far quicker, easier, method. Hopefully they DON'T go back to it in 9th...

Did i miss something or are you both talking about 8th Edition of 40K ?

 BlackTalos wrote:
Did i miss something or are you both talking about 8th Edition of 40K ?

It's a new trend now. Windows will jump from 8 to 10!

Sorry I had a massive brainfart and thought current edition was 8th. Poor old grendel083 must have smelt it too.

Yeah, what people have said above is correct, damage is allocated starting from the centre of the first blasr, and continues on the same model until he's dead, in the exact same manner as the guy at the front of a squad taking every hit until he goes down.

Yeah, it's not realistic, but it's a game mechanic, and is designed, I believe, to be consistent with the front to back shooting wound allocation.

 Diggory_x wrote:
OK well it still sounds illogical to me

That was your first mistake
Da game is an abstraction in the first place, otherwise most weapons would fire across the table, and flyers wouldnt even be seen on the table for more than a turn.