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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/06 20:24:02
Subject: DKoK with Pask
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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We have a regular at our club who drops DKoK units into his AM lists (so Pask with DKoK cav, etc). Is this legal?
I have the DKoK siege list update pdf for 6th, but is there some more recent location or print resource I should ask him to bring? It looks like DKoK units are for DKoK detachments to me... I don't want to put pressure on the guy if its above board, but again, others have complained and I just want to keep the playing field and rule enforcement as level as possible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/06 20:28:21
Subject: DKoK with Pask
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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DKoK just got updated in the most recent book from FW. But from my understanding they are their own entire army so use all the rules for units from their own army list and not AM. So if they don't have pask in their list that don't get to take Pask (out side of an ally of course)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/06 20:46:53
Subject: DKoK with Pask
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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It's never inappropriate to ask how someone is allowed to do something in a list/army.
I frequently express amazement/awe at a player's great setup, and then ask to see the rules for whatever it is. They always comply. Sometimes I notice that what they're doing is illegal. If it's a big enough deal (like being at 1200pts in a 1000pt game), I say something immediately. If it has already been resolved and won't have any further effect (like an Exarch's 4++ being applied to the entire unit, which is already dead), I wait until the game is over.
In this case, you should just mention it to the guy. Say, "So I've been poking around, and I don't think you can do what you're doing. Where are the rules that let you put DKoK and AM into a single detachment?
If worst comes to worst, he's playing an Unbound list. Not a big deal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/06 20:50:13
Subject: DKoK with Pask
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Elric Greywolf wrote:It's never inappropriate to ask how someone is allowed to do something in a list/army.
I frequently express amazement/awe at a player's great setup, and then ask to see the rules for whatever it is. They always comply. Sometimes I notice that what they're doing is illegal. If it's a big enough deal (like being at 1200pts in a 1000pt game), I say something immediately. If it has already been resolved and won't have any further effect (like an Exarch's 4++ being applied to the entire unit, which is already dead), I wait until the game is over.
In this case, you should just mention it to the guy. Say, "So I've been poking around, and I don't think you can do what you're doing. Where are the rules that let you put DKoK and AM into a single detachment?
If worst comes to worst, he's playing an Unbound list. Not a big deal.
Agreed, but I always try to do a little foot work on my own. If I'm gonna take the time to ask, I might as well take the time to try and figure it out on my own.
@Crown, which book has the most up to date DKoK stuff... IA1SE? I have that, and don't remember seeing it (book not with me now).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/06 20:55:07
Subject: DKoK with Pask
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/06 20:59:12
Subject: DKoK with Pask
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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There are two DKoK armies.
Assault Brigade is in IA12.
Siege Regiment has an update here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/06 21:23:39
Subject: Re:DKoK with Pask
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Dakka Veteran
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The newly updated DKoK army list from Siege of Vraks is indeed part of their own faction. However, the Assault Brigade from Fall of Orpheus is simply a variant of the Astra Militarum faction, which could be interpreted as an allowance to mix them into C:AM detachments and vice versa. I can't tell you if it's legal or not, but most Death Korps units are lackluster at best, awful at their worst, with a few decent ones (such as the Death Riders). In fact, if he used the rules from IA:1, it would probably be a more effective army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/07 08:34:15
Subject: Re:DKoK with Pask
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Its just as Aenarian says.
From the latest Imperial Armour -Siege of Vraaks (2015)
USING THE DEATH KORPS SIEGE REGIMENT ARMY LIST (page 202)
The Death Korps of Krieg army list uses all of the standard rules for selecting an army, as found in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. It may be used in conjunction with either the Unbound or Battle-forged methods of army construction, but when fielded as a Battle-forged army may only use either the Combined Arms Detachment or Allied Detachment Force Organisation charts or those additional Force Organisation charts included in this book. All units which are chosen from the Death Korps of Krieg Regiment army list are considered part of the Death Korps of Krieg Faction and are not considered a supplemental army list to Codex: Astra Militarum.
(Know its not okay to copy-paste rules/stats and such from GW/FW books but this i hope is alright since its more of a statement?
Otherwise I am of course sorry for my post and will remove it asap).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/07 09:08:13
Subject: DKoK with Pask
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
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He probably has two cads? Can you get a copy of the units in his list?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/07 12:40:30
Subject: DKoK with Pask
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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I just talked to him, he was running a unified CAD (luckily for our next game day the DKoK units are staying home). However he was very cool with the double CAD restriction and it turned out that only one unit changed in any significant way (AM vets became DKoK troops). We're all kosher now. Given that we play 2.5k+ matches... That's a very minor alteration.
Thanks guys! You were all a big help.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/03/07 12:41:56
DO:70S++G++M+B++I+Pw40k93/f#++D++++A++++/eWD-R++++T(D)DM+
Note: Records since 2010, lists kept current (W-D-L) Blue DP Crusade 126-11-6 Biel-Tan Aspect Waves 2-0-2 Looted Green Horde smash your face in 32-7-8 Broadside/Shield Drone/Kroot blitz goodness 23-3-4 Grey Hunters galore 17-5-5 Khan Bikes Win 63-1-1 Tanith with Pardus Armor 11-0-0 Crimson Tide 59-4-0 Green/Raven/Deathwing 18-0-0 Jumping GK force with Inq. 4-0-0 BTemplars w LRs 7-1-2 IH Legion with Automata 8-0-0 RG Legion w Adepticon medal 6-0-0 Primaris and Little Buddies 7-0-0
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/07 19:00:11
Subject: DKoK with Pask
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Always nice to help others out
One might perhaps learn something from it as well :>
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