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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2985202/Scotland-Yard-chief-Hogan-Howe-calls-DIY-surveillance-help-police.html

Homeowners should consider fitting CCTV to trap burglars, the country's most senior police officer declared yesterday.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said police forces needed more crime scene footage to match against their 12million images of suspects and offenders.

And he called on families and businesses to install cameras at eye level – to exploit advances in facial recognition technology.

But privacy campaigners condemned the Metropolitan Police Commissioner's suggestion.

'The proposals on increasing the amount of privately owned CCTV cameras are quite frankly Orwellian and risk turning members of the public into an extension of the police,' said Renate Samson of Big Brother Watch.

'Private CCTV is completely unregulated. Recommending greater use of CCTV to gather more images of people's faces – often innocent people's faces – undermines the security of each and every one of us.'

She pointed out that a House of Commons committee had on Saturday released a report on the problems with facial recognition.


Now, I think on its face, there is nothing nefarious about this, but you know what they say. The road to hell...


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Also, the details on how CCTV works over there are a bit sparse, in the article. Would some of our British posters be able to expand on it some more?

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Recommending greater use of CCTV to gather more images of people's faces – often innocent people's faces – undermines the security of each and every one of us.'


That sounds like something a criminal would say.



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Actually the move is logical and is already regulated.

Eye level CCTV can be set up internally and can be set up to overshadow only property. Some CCTV systems can only be mounted overlooking ones own land and not public rights of way.

There needs to be changes in the law so that footage that overlooks public areas is more secure and cant be given to the press without consent of local authorities. It is already protected under data protection, but that is largely just a loophole for the criminal not a protection for the public.

More private CCTV is not a bad idea so long as the law is correctly clarified.

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 djones520 wrote:


Now, I think on its face, there is nothing nefarious about this, but you know what they say. The road to hell...


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Also, the details on how CCTV works over there are a bit sparse, in the article. Would some of our British posters be able to expand on it some more?


This actually sounds fairly similar to the business CCTV program that Baltimore has instituted recently:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-citiwatch-20141029-story.html#page=1


ltimore is expanding its public surveillance network to include private security cameras that city officials hope will quadruple the number of digital eyes on neighborhoods and make residents and business owners feel more secure.

City officials on Thursday launched a program two years in the making that gives police quicker access to the hundreds of private cameras mounted outside of businesses and homes around Baltimore. The voluntary program allows property owners to be part of the CitiWatch Community Partnership, which maps where cameras are located and points detectives to available security footage in areas where crimes have occurred.

"I think we can instantly quadruple the eyes we have on the street," Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said.

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The idea has been floated in individual neighborhoods in the past. Over the summer, residents in Butchers Hill, fed up with break-ins and robberies, talked about creating a database of homes with security cameras that detectives in the Police Department's Southeastern District could access to help solve property and street crimes. Butchers Hill Association President Beth Manning said the city's new partnership appears to be what residents had in mind.

It makes "perfect sense," she said, for the city to create such a database for residents to join and investigators to be able to use as a resource.

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When crime cameras were first installed in Baltimore in 2005 under then-Mayor Martin O'Malley, they numbered fewer than 200 and were largely confined to high-crime areas. The city's network has grown to 696, which includes cameras at the East Baltimore Development Inc. project and surrounding the Horseshoe Casino.

In 2012, the Abell Foundation funded the CitiWatch Community Partnership with a $53,000 grant. The city's Board of Estimates agreed at the time to create a database of private security cameras that police could request access to. The new program took years to launch because the city's information technology office had to build a system for the project, the mayor said.

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The new city database builds on the Police Department's arrangements with several large organizations that have granted the agency access to their security cameras. Officers monitor visitors to Johns Hopkins Hospital, riders on Maryland Transit Administration buses and shoppers at Harborplace and The Gallery downtown, among other locations.

Officials stress that becoming part of the CitiWatch system is voluntary and — unlike the current feeds from Hopkins and the MTA — police officers will look at footage from the expanded private system only after they receive a report of a crime in the vicinity. The police will not be able to view a live feed from the newly signed-up private cameras, officials said.

The database will act as a directory of cameras with information on where each is located, its owner and how long footage is retained. The listings will then be built into an interactive map. When a crime occurs, police can immediately pinpoint what cameras are nearby. Property owners can register to be included in the network by going to citiwatch.baltimorecity.gov. They can drop out of the network at any time, city officials said.


Baltimore Police Commissioner Anthony W. Batts said the new program strengthens two areas in which police are trying to improve: technology and community relations.

"Baltimore was a pioneering city when it came to the camera program," said J. Eric Kowalczyk, a city police spokesman. "This is one more advancement of that level of innovation."

Philadelphia, San Jose, Calif., and Chicago are among other cities that have similar private security camera registries or networks. In St. Louis, the American Civil Liberties Union released a report this month saying the plethora of surveillance cameras is threatening residents' right to privacy. The report recommended that "any private cameras that become part of a larger government network need to maintain the same standards and procedures that govern the network."

Baltimore officials say the new network of private cameras will not intrude on people's privacy because the government or police cannot connect to residence or business cameras or access those video feeds in real time.

James Hamlin became the first property owner to sign up for the partnership Thursday. Four years ago, Hamlin opened the Avenue Bakery at Baker Street and Pennsylvania Avenue in West Baltimore.

He grew up nearby and remembered when he saw the Temptations and Stevie Wonder walking on Pennsylvania Avenue, which was Baltimore's bustling nightlife district. Years later, the area declined into one of the city's more notorious open-air drug markets, where dealers sold heroin out of stores and held businesses hostage.

Over the past decade, police and businesses have cleaned up the neighborhood significantly. After Hamlin retired from a long career with UPS, he bought the vacant and dilapidated Bakers Hardware building and renovated it into a bakery, where he serves cappuccinos, espressos and the "Poppay's Rolls" he is known for. He commissioned murals on his property of civil rights activists and famous entertainers who once frequented Pennsylvania Avenue, and affixed security cameras on every corner of his business.

While the cameras have never caught a serious crime in progress, they did capture a man stealing brand-new trash cans from behind the building just after Hamlin opened.

He said he believes the main business strip can return to its heyday if shoppers and business owners feel safe. The CitiWatch partnership, he said, is a good step toward that end.

"It is important that people and tourists and that the community itself feels safe," Hamlin said.

Baltimore's growing network of public surveillance cameras was first viewed as a deterrent, with blinking blue lights that became ubiquitous in some crime-ridden neighborhoods. The city has been taking the cameras out of service over the last few years and adding ones that stand out less, officials said. The change has happened as such cameras seem to be everywhere and are easily accessible and affordable for residents to buy and use.


"Now we need residents and businesses across our city to sign up," Rawlings-Blake said.


 
   
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Maybe I misunderstood:

Are talking about CCTVs in residences that the government can monitor remotely?

Or are we talking about truly private CCTVs, the footage of which is controlled by owners of those residences and it is at their discretion to provide to government?

Cause I see less of a concern regarding the second. I mean I have hardwired CCTV system myself.
   
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My father was involved with this a while ago. He eventually chose to not install what the police were offering as his opinion was that it would do gak all. I won't go into the circumstances (I've probably whinged about them here before at some point), but the law where you can only have the camera on your own property is rather restrictive. Want to cover the front of your house? Well can the camera see the house across the street? Nah can't have that. Want the camera to just see the bare minimum of ground? Yeah we can sort that out. Ah, but that's circumstantial. We were told that a camera would be provided, and unless we used that anything that was recorded wouldn't be regarded highly. Said camera was rather poor quality, and yes men in suits came out and measured exactly where it was facing.

Ultimately we now use our own cameras. Not that they matter at all when it comes to charging anyone. We have tapes of crimes occurring, but the police in my area seem to be absolutely useless in following up on such domestic issues (that includes destruction of property and assaults). So yes camera can provide a facade of security, but if the police don't care to act upon the evidence they provide then what's the point? ...Again my view is biased, but we've provided hours of tapes on incidents (involving the same people too...). All that seems to happen is an initial response of alarm, with a promise of a quick resolution, before the matter's dropped after a week.

So a good idea, but there's absolutely no point unless the police actually show an interest in using it. When there's x number of serious crimes sitting unsolved I suppose anything less doesn't make it out of the bottomless "to do" pile.
   
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The simple fact is if you have a home survalence system and you do get broken into the police now have good quality evidence of who broke in. As long as the computer you use to store the video is NEVER connected to the internet or other wireless connection people cant break into it without physically being there. So he is suggesting that people help themselves by helping the police by giving them that information. But as always it should be a personal choice by the home/business owner. IMO i have been trying to get my condo building to install one after the most recent break in, in our building. Getting a good mug shot of every person who comes in and out of the building is a good idea and as long as kept by responsable hands their should be no issues.

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 KiloFiX wrote:
Maybe I misunderstood:

Are talking about CCTVs in residences that the government can monitor remotely?

Or are we talking about truly private CCTVs, the footage of which is controlled by owners of those residences and it is at their discretion to provide to government?

Cause I see less of a concern regarding the second. I mean I have hardwired CCTV system myself.


Privately owned ones by my reading. Though as I mentioned in my post the police at one point provided one for us to use, but it was a piece of gak and they said that regulations forced them to put it in a specific position which was useless ("Hey there's a crime happening outside of my house. Great then my camera's staring at some concrete on the ground then, otherwise it would just catch the edge of my neighbor's hedge.").
   
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Private camera systems.

Government installed cameras in houses IS the Big Brother society.then the more right wing amongst us will not stand for that. It wouldn't work as a system either voluntary or involuntary.

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 streamdragon wrote:
Isn't dailymail basically a UK tabloid?


Pretty much. You generally need to find other, actually reliable sources for news by them.

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