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I would like to start a SM army but I didn't want to build another bog standard space marine army that you see on a daily basis. I wanted to do a more obscure less common chapter with some ammount of theme involved. With that in mind here are the possibilities I've come up with. Please leave a vote and if you'd like leave any suggestions/opinions of what you'd like to see.

Carcharodons
Celestial Lions(recovering chapter. From a lore standpoint I would have it where some members had returned from the deathwatch to help rebuild and they would otherwise be relatively undersupplied.)
Consecrators(heavy plasma)
Flesh Tearers

On a side note another idea I had was for a homebrew chapter largely based on Roman organizational style and using carcharodons chapter tactics. (In terms of lore they would have been created from gene seed left behind and long forgotten by Angron. By this measure they would be angry but more controlled due to a lacking of the butcher's nails. Alternatively they could be written in as a group of warp lost loyalist world eaters who upon their return and after learning of the horus heresy remained loyal to the emperor.)

Let me know what you guys think.

 Yaavaragefinkinman wrote:
I would like to start a SM army but I didn't want to build another bog standard space marine army that you see on a daily basis. I wanted to do a more obscure less common chapter with some ammount of theme involved. With that in mind here are the possibilities I've come up with. Please leave a vote and if you'd like leave any suggestions/opinions of what you'd like to see.

Carcharodons
Celestial Lions(recovering chapter. From a lore standpoint I would have it where some members had returned from the deathwatch to help rebuild and they would otherwise be relatively undersupplied.)
Consecrators(heavy plasma)
Flesh Tearers

On a side note another idea I had was for a homebrew chapter largely based on Roman organizational style and using carcharodons chapter tactics. (In terms of lore they would have been created from gene seed left behind and long forgotten by Angron. By this measure they would be angry but more controlled due to a lacking of the butcher's nails. Alternatively they could be written in as a group of warp lost loyalist world eaters who upon their return and after learning of the horus heresy remained loyal to the emperor.)

Let me know what you guys think.

Carcharadons are the coolest in that list fluff wise, though are becoming more popular and being all grey, isn't the most interesting paint scheme!
I voted consecrators because I have never seen someone do Them before, and heavy plasma is Awesome (cleanse dem with the fire!)

of the chapters you mentioned, the Carcharodons would proably be the most intreasting from a modeling POV, given their tendancy to use older marks of armor, and that they can have chain swords as part of their chapter tactics (which might be a mild challange but I bet you can find a lot of chainsword equipped arms on Ebay, as apparently not a lot of CSMs bother with that option) their paint scheme is apt to be kinda bland though.

in terms of rules it's worth noting the flesh tearers would use blood angels codex rules. so would be the most differnt in terms of rules

Celestial Lions

Always cool and not often done at all.

It might help if you describe further as to what kind of 'feel' and / or combination of traits you're going for.

BrianDavion wrote:
of the chapters you mentioned, the Carcharodons would proably be the most intreasting from a modeling POV, given their tendancy to use older marks of armor, and that they can have chain swords as part of their chapter tactics (which might be a mild challange but I bet you can find a lot of chainsword equipped arms on Ebay, as apparently not a lot of CSMs bother with that option) their paint scheme is apt to be kinda bland though.

in terms of rules it's worth noting the flesh tearers would use blood angels codex rules. so would be the most differnt in terms of rules

Yeah primarily mark V is a cool part I left out of my Carcharadon analysis from before actually.

To elaborate more on the feel of the homebrew chapter I could offer my preliminary backstory. This is only a rough draft so to speak so any suggestions you could make to fill in gaps would be appreciated.

In late M33 an explorator fleet of the Mechanicus re-discovered the planet Bodt former training ground of the now defunct World Eaters Legion. Upon exploration of the abandoned planet the tech-priests delved into the vaults of the planet and would find the planet's armory stocked with a remnant amount of MkIV and older war-gear. A respectable stash of technology but no where near enough to outfit even one Crusade era Company. Upon further exploration they would find the true treasure that they hadn't even been looking for. Deep within the vaults of Bodt they found a stock of the now Traitorous Primarch's gene seed. Storing these items for several decades when the order came to bring about a new founding of space marines this gene seed came into use in secret. over the course of the next century the gene stock was cultivated until there was enough to create a full chapter and thus the Brazen Hounds were born. gifted with the technology and history of their forefather the Hounds would vow to fight with self control and aim to master the fury that their gene seed cultivated within them. They refused to become the honor-less and senselessly violent berserkers that their father and cousins had become.

The Brazen Hounds wage total war against their foes much like their fore-bearers the main difference being that while the the World Eaters would pillage and fight with disorder and berserk rage the Brazen Hounds do their best to fight with controlled anger and always with purpose in mind. This is made easier for them without the practice of using the butcher's nails but in the heat of battle their father's rage can overcome these warriors in a fit of heightened adrenaline. (This is represented with chapter tactics Carcharodons) Their fighting style and their heritage often bring them distrust from other space marines and many refuse to fight with them. The Brazen Hounds treat all other Space Marines as allies of convenience except for Blood Angels and White Scars who's circumstances(black rage/ red thirst) and fighting styles(both speed) match well with the Brazen Hounds more melee oriented approach and their haunted past.

Their armory consists of a fairly large proportion of Mk IV and older gear, however many of the weapons and a moderate amount of the armor is "modern".
They will be organized and ranked comparably to the roman army: Chapter Master-Legatus, Captain- Centurion, Squad Seargent-Decanus, Honor Guard-Praetorians, bog standard space marine-Legionary, First Captain/Second In Command Primus Pilus, etc...
They have combined the role of Librarian and Apothecary, while not all of their apothecaries are librarians all of their librarians are trained by the apothecarion.

If you guys want more information on this let me know. Again this is a rough sketch the name may not be the same but any suggestions are appreciated. Let me know what you guys think and any suggestions on painting would be awesome. I hope this gets a good response!

Sounds cool. What colour scheme are you going to give them?

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I really like your concept, though strongly doubt that World Eater geneseed would be used. You could work around this somehow by saying that the World Eater geneseed was swapped or falsely listed as different geneseed by a VERY powerful faction for some personal gain. Maybe it was the Ordo Xenos doing as they wanted a blood thirsty faction to help their ends meet, but then your chapter has the baggage of having to do the Inqs bidding etc. Just my two cents.

Not a bad idea Rippy. I was wondering if you could explain what you mean by powerful faction though. I thought the Mechanicus was the ones who stored gene seed so they could be the ones to swap it in in secret.

As a revision I might write it as that they believe/ they are supposed to be the gene bearers of a more orderly and disciplined chapter such as Imperial fists or something but actually are of Angrons bloodline and eventually learn of their heritage. After learning the do all their vows and yada yada to be more disciplined. Obviously I'd write it in more detail but this is just to get the idea across. Let me know what you think.

On the note of colors. I am not 100 percent sure but I was thinking something kind of like the Minotaur's colors but the heads greaves and forearms would be metal colored with the face part of the helmet being brown. There would also be roman-esque plumes on the helmets of any ranking individuals such as squad seargents and anyone above that rank excluding probably terminators which would be red in color. Again I'm not certain these would be the colors but that is the idea at the moment.

Thanks for the responses and suggestions!

 Yaavaragefinkinman wrote:
Not a bad idea Rippy. I was wondering if you could explain what you mean by powerful faction though. I thought the Mechanicus was the ones who stored gene seed so they could be the ones to swap it in in secret.

As a revision I might write it as that they believe/ they are supposed to be the gene bearers of a more orderly and disciplined chapter such as Imperial fists or something but actually are of Angrons bloodline and eventually learn of their heritage. After learning the do all their vows and yada yada to be more disciplined. Obviously I'd write it in more detail but this is just to get the idea across. Let me know what you think.

On the note of colors. I am not 100 percent sure but I was thinking something kind of like the Minotaur's colors but the heads greaves and forearms would be metal colored with the face part of the helmet being brown. There would also be roman-esque plumes on the helmets of any ranking individuals such as squad seargents and anyone above that rank excluding probably terminators which would be red in color. Again I'm not certain these would be the colors but that is the idea at the moment.

Thanks for the responses and suggestions!

Bronze and metal Silver looks great.

By powerful faction I meant a faction whose head could have a seat on the Council of Terra.

So the mechanicus in theory could stage a swap of Geneseed, but what do they want from it? Maybe a planned savage legion to track down an STC fragment in secret? Who knows, you would need to justify it!

Baggage isn't bad for a chapter though, it makes them more interesting to be honest.

Geneseed swap by Mechanicus is very plausible. Afterall, they have orchestrated quite some larger schemes in a few books. I won't name them though because that would basically spoil them outright.

Bronze and metal Silver looks great.

By powerful faction I meant a faction whose head could have a seat on the Council of Terra.

So the mechanicus in theory could stage a swap of Geneseed, but what do they want from it? Maybe a planned savage legion to track down an STC fragment in secret? Who knows, you would need to justify it!

Baggage isn't bad for a chapter though, it makes them more interesting to be honest.

Oh now I get what you mean and awesome great idea gives me quite a bit to build on.

Also do you have a specific example in mind when you say Bronze and Silver if so I'd love to see it.
Thanks again!

Rippy quick question for you based on your opinion. I plan to make an Honor Guard squad using some bits from Anvil Industries. I have most of the parts sorted out but my question to you was what you think would be a better looking helmet for the honor guard given a more Roman and not really Greek (although the two are similar) appearance?
One thing I'd like to point out is that in Roman armies the Centurions (higher ranked individuals) are believed to have had a horizontal crest while Legionaries and Decanus (sergeant) were supposed to have straight ones. With that In mind I am having trouble deciding between a few head and crest combos. Would you consider Honor Guard and similarly ranking individuals to be eligible for the horizontal or would you reserve it for the true Centurions (Captains, Chaplains and other high ranking individuals?

(Do delve further on a historical note not that the Space Marines would have any accurate record of history this old, only the Centurions and any rank higher were found wearing the horizontal crest)

Basically would You include things like first company terminators, veterans and honor guard to be users, or only the Captains, Chapter Master, Chaplains, and other higher tier individuals such as lord of the forge? Thanks again man you've been a big help!

The first helmet is gladiator
The second is their version of Praetorian which is a guard
The last is a spartan helmet

 Yaavaragefinkinman wrote:
Rippy quick question for you based on your opinion. I plan to make an Honor Guard squad using some bits from Anvil Industries. I have most of the parts sorted out but my question to you was what you think would be a better looking helmet for the honor guard given a more Roman and not really Greek (although the two are similar) appearance?
One thing I'd like to point out is that in Roman armies the Centurions (higher ranked individuals) are believed to have had a horizontal crest while Legionaries and Decanus (sergeant) were supposed to have straight ones. With that In mind I am having trouble deciding between a few head and crest combos. Would you consider Honor Guard and similarly ranking individuals to be eligible for the horizontal or would you reserve it for the true Centurions (Captains, Chaplains and other high ranking individuals?

(Do delve further on a historical note not that the Space Marines would have any accurate record of history this old, only the Centurions and any rank higher were found wearing the horizontal crest)

Basically would You include things like first company terminators, veterans and honor guard to be users, or only the Captains, Chapter Master, Chaplains, and other higher tier individuals such as lord of the forge? Thanks again man you've been a big help!

The first helmet is gladiator
The second is their version of Praetorian which is a guard
The last is a spartan helmet

to be honest, mosy of the GW space marines, as they are Ultramarines, already have a very Roman theme. So if you buy GW's sternguard veterans or masters of the chapter and kit bash those helmets and plumes on would be great.

Hi there! Your idea sounds very close to the inspiration I found for a Greek-Roman-homebrew chapter. There are a ton of good second hand suppliers for shields, heads, bladed weapons and shoulder pads. Sadly much of it is a bit from one source and a bit from another. So you should opt for the Carcharodons instead like I did!

A pack of chaos chainswords/chainaxes, some custom shapeways shark logo shoulderpads and a little creative modeling allows you to build a quite brutal force with some rather stock bits. Painting is easy, grey, black and a touch of color (I went for gold trim). But the Carcharodons have these awesome tattoo like markings on their armor that can be veeery challenging. Add in their unconventional company design and you have a choppy/shooty army with a lot of flexibility.

I would also add their fluff is very open to interpretation. Pre Horus Heresy split from XIX (Raven Guard). But no official word from GW.

Oh and also I think those last helmets would work the best.

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