If you could abort a Primarch to change history to favor the Imperium, which would you choose?

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**Wyzilla**

david choe wrote:
I vote Horus, with out Horus I think Emperor will still be alive. Emperor is the key success for Imperium.

Were Horus removed, Chaos would have simply corrupted another Primarch in his place.

Erebus is the actual source of the Horus Heresy.

**Wyzilla**

EngulfedObject wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:
Were Horus removed, Chaos would have simply corrupted another Primarch in his place.

Erebus is the actual source of the Horus Heresy.
Yes but would this other Primarch be as powerful as Horus and would the Emperor hesitate when fighting him? The reason the Emperor was crippled was because he couldn't bring himself to strike down his favored son.

Considering that Horus is a wus compared to his Primarch brethren outside of tactical prowess? Yeah, the HH could have been a lot worse if somebody else fell, like Magnus or Vulkan becoming the champion of Chaos. Also, it should be noted that Horus wasn't even supposed to win. Chaos chose him as a sacrificial lamb to wound the Emperor badly enough that he could not continue to fight, but still hold on to enough strength to hold the Imperium together in a somewhat stable state. The Chaos Gods never wanted to fully destroy the Imperium, otherwise there would be no eternal war to amuse themselves with.

**Wyzilla**

EngulfedObject wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:
Considering that Horus is a wus compared to his Primarch brethren outside of tactical prowess? Yeah, the HH could have been a lot worse if somebody else fell, like Magnus or Vulkan becoming the champion of Chaos. Also, it should be noted that Horus wasn't even supposed to win. Chaos chose him as a sacrificial lamb to wound the Emperor badly enough that he could not continue to fight, but still hold on to enough strength to hold the Imperium together in a somewhat stable state. The Chaos Gods never wanted to fully destroy the Imperium, otherwise there would be no eternal war to amuse themselves with.
I thought fluff repeatedly states how Horus was the greatest of them all, not just through his tactical prowess? And Vulkan as a champion of Chaos is a strange image, haha. I don't really think he'd be able to do nearly as much though. And Magnus was too much under Tzeentch's influence to be a champion of Chaos Undivided.

Horus was a jack of all trades, but ace of none. His only real advantage over his brothers was his charisma- otherwise Sanguinius, Magnus, the Lion, Konrad Curze, and Angron were his physical superiors until his empowerment. And had say, Sangiunius been empowered by Chaos instead of Horus, he would most certainly be stronger then Chaos Horus.

**Wyzilla**

EngulfedObject wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:
Horus was a jack of all trades, but ace of none. His only real advantage over his brothers was his charisma- otherwise Sanguinius, Magnus, the Lion, Konrad Curze, and Angron were his physical superiors until his empowerment. And had say, Sangiunius been empowered by Chaos instead of Horus, he would most certainly be stronger then Chaos Horus.
Yes, but is there any fluff actually indicating he was inferior to them physically?

There's nothing credible that points to him being superior. Horus gets ganked by a Nurgle Chosen, Corax meanwhile walks off lascannon shots and Sanguinius utterly demolished Greater Daemons as a hobby.

**Wyzilla**

Yaavaragefinkinman wrote:
As much as the Horus Heresy was largely caused/ could be prevented without Lorgar or Horus. I personally would go for either Konrad Kurze or Fulgrim.
Without Konrad Lorgar would have most likely died in the Dropsite Masacre at the hands of Corvus because Konrad wouldn't have been able to intervene, also he wouldn't have captured and tortured Vulkan so Vulkan wouldn't go bat crap crazy and have to be put down (pun intended).

On the other hand without Fulgrim Ferrus Mans would still be alive along with Roboute Gulliman (do I really want this though... Idk?)

Overall I vote Konrad.
Without him the loyalists would have one more primarch and the traitors would be down their guide into the world that is chaos and have a hard time gaining any real momentum early in the war.
Not to mention the planet he lived on which had an insane ammount of raw adamantium might have been better brought into the imperial fold making better use of its supplies instead of staying a corrupt piece of crap like it did. Basically since it wouldn't be a recruiting world, odds are it would have been more effectively cleansed of the immoral populace it housed.

In all this I forgot to mention that he wouldn't have been distracting the crap out of the Dark Angels who would have gotten to Terra on time and made it possible for the Loyalists to mop the floor with the Traitors

On another nother side note Konrad kind of invented exterminatus so if you are against the whole abortion thing then I can't see what's worse than aborting an entire planet.

At this I end my rant

The adamantium from Nocturne wasn't destroyed. The metal is so durable it was merely scattered across space in gigantic asteroid chunks.

**Wyzilla**

EngulfedObject wrote:
Wyzilla wrote:
The adamantium from Nocturne wasn't destroyed. The metal is so durable it was merely scattered across space in gigantic asteroid chunks.
From Nostromo, no?

It's not my fault they both start with 'n's.

**Wyzilla**

Redcruisair wrote:
Lord Blackscale wrote:
EmpNortonII wrote:

... someone else could have gotten the Anatheme, though, and done the same thing after their Legion suffered an embarrassment similar to Lorgar's, and Magnus, Angron, and Curze are all primarchs that could have easily been in Lorgar's place.Given how many other options Chaos had, I think taking Lorgar out of the picture changes little.

I highly doubt Curse would ever be in Lorgar's place, seeing as how most of his legion still dispises those who are a little to "in" with the chaos gods.

The Night Lords can despise chaos all they want, but it will not change the fact that the gratest concentration of Night Lords at the time of 40K swear fealty to Krieg Acerbus, a powerfull NL daemon prince.
NL are just as "tainted" as the other traitor legions.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Krieg_Acerbus

FINALLY, somebody else notices that the Night Lords are about as non-chaotic as the Iron Warriors. The only difference between the Night Lords and the rest of the Legions is that the Night Lords don't really worship the Chaos Gods, and instead take the Black Legion route.

But Night Lords were corrupted even during their Horus Heresy. Their palace was made of living humans stitched together Dark Eldar style, sustained through some combination of technology and chaos magicks. Plus then there's the Raptor Cults, which eventually mutate into actual daemons (Warp Talons).