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I've seen a lot of lists use the realspace raiders formation for dark eldar, but why? It gives a 5+ cover save on turn 1, or any turn in which there's night fight - which would also generally only be turn 1. Is that really worth it? It seems like it's not that difficult to get a 5+ cover save by other means (and you could just jink for a 4+) and plenty of things ignore it. Is it for the 6 fast attack? And if so, why not just take two CADs and keep objective secured?


I considered the possibility of spamming raiders in the fast attack slots and using eldar allies to put eldar units in them, which seems viable, but I've seen mostly strictly DE lists without eldar allies in them, so what's the point?

The Kabalite raiding party formation seems restrictive on what you're allowed to take, but the +1 turn to power from pain seems like a bonus that would be worth it. Realspace raiders detachment, though... not so much. Someone enlighten me, please!

Most tournaments adhere to a 2 source format, typically with a maximum of only 1 CAD. As such, many players (myself included) will take Realspace Raiders alongside another CAD (in my case, Eldar).

Depends on what you need.

So they allow two CADs, but only if they're from different codexes?

It gives you 6 fething Fast Attack slot, in a army where all of the best units are in Fast Attack.

Hollismason wrote:
It gives you 6 fething Fast Attack slot, in a army where all of the best units are in Fast Attack.

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I'm really not sure what the confusion is here.

Ah, I may be confused by that then. I've seen the most damage done by my heavy supports and troops (warriors in splinter rack raiders) and the fast attacks seem so vulnerable. I've used reavers and they seem to die very quickly, so things like beast packs and hellions just seem to also be weak and frail....

 Spellbound wrote:
Ah, I may be confused by that then. I've seen the most damage done by my heavy supports and troops (warriors in splinter rack raiders) and the fast attacks seem so vulnerable. I've used reavers and they seem to die very quickly, so things like beast packs and hellions just seem to also be weak and frail....

Our entire army is vulnerable. Fast attack slot does have some very good units in our book. Honestly I've used razorwings and venoms with the detachment.

The reason not to take just 2 CADS is also that you don't need troops and HQs to take so many points. (1 HQ and 2 troops in a realspace compared to 2 HQ and 4 troops in 2 CADs)

And OS that the CAD gives you means nothing when you got little troops on the field.


Its not a go-to choice, but its a choice. and that's the stuff of good choices in games-where its unclear what option is superior.

 Spellbound wrote:
So they allow two CADs, but only if they're from different codexes?

Realspace Raiders is not a CAD as a CAD is a specific kind of detachment

1. Taking Venoms and Raiders for Harlequin/Eldar units.
2. Some tournies only allow two detachments, so if you want Psykers or better anti-armor, you have to squeeze all your DE FA into one list in order to bring the allies.
3. Razorwings, Reavers, and Scourges are all good units, and all worth taking in multiples.
4. The phenomenal speed of our army, and our access to so many forms of Eldar Jetbikes, makes the Objective Secured you sacrifice less important.

 Spellbound wrote:
...I've used reavers and they seem to die very quickly....

I hate it when people tell me I'm doing it wrong, but if this is the case, you seem to be doing it wrong. Reavers are one of the most durable and potent units we have. They have combat drugs, 5+, and a natural T4, and most importantly, Skilled Rider gives them a 3+ Jink. While you CAN take gun upgrades on them, you really shouldn't. Take a squad of 9 or 12, add on 3 or 4 Cluster Caltrops and get the charge (with how fast they are, shouldn't be an issue)...preferably on turn 3 or 4. If you have the points, get the Arena Champion with an Agonizer as well. All those rending HoW (both S4 and S6) will slaughter most things. You don't want to get stuck into a long, drawn out slugfest...but that is what Hit and Run is for.