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basically as the title states. ON A LORE PERSPECTIVE, who would win, solitare vs lelith hesperx?

Theirs a bit in the novel Valedor where she is sitting with a Great Harlequin or whatever its called, wondering if he could defeat her trying to decide if she should attack him. As if reading her mind he shakes his finger at her to indicate "don't bother trying" . Assuming the great avatar and the Solitaire are similar in skill, or the Solitaire is better. I think he would win.

NauticalKendall wrote:
Theirs a bit in the novel Valedor where she is sitting with a Great Harlequin or whatever its called, wondering if he could defeat her trying to decide if she should attack him. As if reading her mind he shakes his finger at her to indicate "don't bother trying" . Assuming the great avatar and the Solitaire are similar in skill, or the Solitaire is better. I think he would win.

The Great Harlequins are the greatest masters of combat amongst the Harlequin and are the leaders, they represent the laughing god himself in the performances and wear a mask in his likeness, Solitare's however come very close, and the fact that their unnatural selves are close to Slaanesh would be rather disconcerting for a Dark Eldar to even look at, much less concentrate on.

I believe the Solitaire would probably win from a fluff perspective. He's always been the pinnacle of Eldar "scary CC monster", even though he was absent for so long.

If nothing else and you judge them equal on skill and whatnot, the Solitaire is better equipped

EDIT: as noted, I imagine being a physical representation of Slaanesh would also be quite disturbing for any Eldar to have to face.

I think Lelith. I think the best Wyches channel their latent psychic energy into a heightened body-kinesthetic understanding, which is why Lelith Hesperax is the clearly dominant one. The fact that she even considered taking on a Great Harlequin speaks to an ability above a Solitaire's.

The solitaire is universally feared by the eldar.

I read somewhere that for an eldar it is better to die than touch a solitaire. They fear them. He is the portrayer of their greatest enemy. Apparently psykers get depressed when he is near.

Eldar cant handle them, I doubt anyone can fluff wise. Simply due to his presence.

Solitaire has got this match.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I think Lelith. I think the best Wyches channel their latent psychic energy into a heightened body-kinesthetic understanding, which is why Lelith Hesperax is the clearly dominant one. The fact that she even considered taking on a Great Harlequin speaks to an ability above a Solitaire's.

Or foolhardy understanding, Eldar may be wise at times, but not all the time.

The solitair would win. He would get cut, but I think he would still be the victor. They are supposed to be creatures of myth made flesh. They are what the avatar of kane should be

It's to bad we don't have a Great Harlequin for the HARLEQUIN CODEX

I would go for Lelith by small margin. She is an undefeated champion in the arena scene. In fact she is such a combat beast that it's mentionned that even Daemon Prince or perhaps even Gods enjoy her display of combat. She also has immense experience of real combat against people of incredible if not completly supernatural skills and agility just like the Harlequins. This will count for a lot.

PS: it's true that it's king of ridiculous they didn't expended more on the Harlequin the Harlequin dex (they probably lack time and funds for more for a single release).

Fluffwise? Lelith would come out the victor. She simply has more plot armor. A solitaire is certainly hyped up, and I'd give the victory to him on the tabletop, but a solitaire is still technically a nameless entity. We've seen them die in the fluff. We know that Ahriman was (probably) able to kill a few when he assaulted the Black Library. Lelith, on the other hand, is a special character. The universe won't let her die without sufficient buildup to her death, and the universe will be trying harder to keep her alive than the solitaire.

If Lelith went down, the response would be, "W-what?! But Lelith can't die! She has her own model! She's a faction leader!"

If the solitaire went down, it would be more like, "Oh, he died? Wow. Good work there Leltih. That was probably tough."

I believe that the combat would be decided by whoever's patron intervened. The one who has the bigger supernatural backup would win out in the end.

Wyldhunt wrote:
Fluffwise? Lelith would come out the victor. She simply has more plot armor. A solitaire is certainly hyped up, and I'd give the victory to him on the tabletop, but a solitaire is still technically a nameless entity. We've seen them die in the fluff. We know that Ahriman was (probably) able to kill a few when he assaulted the Black Library. Lelith, on the other hand, is a special character. The universe won't let her die without sufficient buildup to her death, and the universe will be trying harder to keep her alive than the solitaire.

If Lelith went down, the response would be, "W-what?! But Lelith can't die! She has her own model! She's a faction leader!"

If the solitaire went down, it would be more like, "Oh, he died? Wow. Good work there Leltih. That was probably tough."

Considering how End Times treated some characters, I don't know how well that would stand up anymore.

Also it's unlikely that Solitaire's were at the Black Library, due to the fact that they travel alone and very rarely travel with Troupes, not to mention that whole "Soul is taken by Slaanesh" thing may be a reason to keep them from it as well.

Hmm. I may be misremembering, but I thought some Solitaires wound up serving as guardians of the black library, with regular harlequins being more like exterior guard.

It's a tough one to call. A Solitaire is like a supernatural being with superhuman or xeno whichever you want to call it abilities. He also carries very advanced equipment able to move as a blur and cut foes down before they even know it. Lelith on the other hand has been the best arena fighter among Dark Eldar for something like over a thousand years and she's done that with no special gadgets,enhancements,combat drugs or thick armor. She doesn't even wear boots or anything lol. She doesn't use guns and has still bested anything thrown at her bearing only one scar fluff wise which i believe was given to her by a Space Marine champion of some kind (She was so furious she apparently decided to kill the Archon who bought her what he felt was a worthy enough opponent to honor her after she made a call out that she would give a reward to the one who could find her the best opponent to battle. XD)

If anyone among the Eldar could go toe to toe with a Solitaire it would be Lelith but i think she might lose it just too close to call. She'd be facing something that moves as fast or faster than she does and the one thing she relies on is her instincts and her speed in battle. I think it would come down to a single slip up creating an opening for one of them to land the final blow.

From a game perspective, I'm just returning home from a match in which a Solitaire lost close combat to a dozen fire warriors.


But then again, Lelith would die to the overwatch she wouldn't even get to touch them. So point solitaire.


Cc in 40k is fluffy and fun!

I think from a game perspective a slight poke would kill Lelith XD. For a character who depends completely on being in close combat they really didn't see fit to make it possible to get her in close combat.