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Hi there Dakka, I've been playing around in 40k for a little bit and I think Im starting to narrow down on an army that I'd really like to play. It's a tough decision between CSM World Eaters/ Khorne DaemonKin and Grey Knights. Both are kind of close combat specialists, but very subtly. I like the noble, purity seal covered, power sword wielding aesthetic of the Grey Knights but the savage brutality, convertability (model wise) of Khorne.

I really like converting up individual characters and giving them unique names and stories, something I feel the Khorne models have an advantage imo.

Anyone wanna share their experiences with either? Either playing, lists, or just your two cents on fluff etc.

Considering KhorneKin isn't out yet, no one has experience there. However, it doesn't look like World Eaters are being represented in the new Codex. According to sources, Kharn isn't in the codex at all. For reasons that make fluff sense in the strictest of terms. World Eaters use Khorne as a means to power, not as a god to be worshipped and praise be to all the daemons of that kind. Berzerkers are there and you can paint them however you want, but World Eaters in the strictest sense are not.

So, if you want Kharn, you have to use CSM, which is not great as you have likely heard. A Khorne list of CSM is even worse. An alternative is to make a Khornekin army and ally in Kharn and a unit of Cultists for cheap, but we have to have the codex to know if that is possible and if they get the benefits needed to really mesh. If Kharn can mesh in with a unit of Khornekin Berzerkers and his kills count towards Blood Points then it's a done deal and you can make World Eaters by force and codex intent be damned.

Grey Knights though are dull, in my opinion. Not a very strong codex in terms of choice so armies are only different in how many Dreadknights are being used. I like variety and Grey Knights just do not have it so they are one of my least favorite army options. However, they're quite strong. Low model count really does mean that an army can be gotten together quickly and cheaply, and the faction's strength means that you won't be on the back foot. If you like the five units that are worth taking and don't like the idea of experimenting with other units, then by all means. An Ordo Malleus taskforce would also be a fun way to make it unique though. Inquisitors and Acolytes alongside Grey Knights. Bit more fun in my opinion.

Of course, the question can't be answered until Khornekin drops and we see where Khorne armies stand. Just gotta wait I think until we crack open the codex ourselves and put together some startup lists.

Yea I get what you mean, in terms of DaemonKin I wasnt talking so much in terms of lists but rather just a feel of what it might be like. Khorne CSM with Daemon allies etc.

I know that Khorne CSM sucks right now in terms of competitiveness. But thats really not what Im looking for. I certainly dont want to play a competitive Grey Knights list (why on earth anyone would think fielding 2-3 Nemesis Dreadknights is fun is beyond me).

I'd definatly be leaning towards the deamonkin 'dex. there's no much you can do with chaos. Grey Knights however... they're very mionobuild and don't lend themseves well to customization

I'm on the same page as you. I play Tyranids with a single Flyrant by choice. Perfectly happy that way and have a gaming group where it works.

As long as we're talking what it MIGHT be like, I'm expecting things to be friggin fun. It's looking like a lot of things will have to do with timing but a single big drawback of Chaos isn't as much of a drawback anymire. The easily killed small units, three Terminators and five Raptors or even Warp Talons, have a reason to live and die. There's a legitimate strategy involving just a few models attacking something with all their might, dying horribly and then announcing buffs for the rest of your army with Blood Points. As long as something awful doesn't pop up or restrict something, I'm likely joining the KhorneKin and doing as I said earlier, forcing Kharn in somehow.

World Eaters all the way!


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I played CSM when I first started, with the newest codex. The Berserkers always will hold a place in my heart and eventually I'll return to them and do a proper warband. The battle of Skalathrax was my favourite story, even though some question the plot a bit. Kharn is also a wrecking ball.

And yes, the fluff just writes itself. Blood for the blood God, pretty straight forward, but still lots of room for imagination.

I guess there are no Grey Knight players out that wanna make their voices heard.

I have high hopes for the DaemonKin codex. Im flip flopping between the two armies and I guess until the codex comes out I wont be able to make a choice haha.

GK is one of the worst internally ballanced 7-th books out there, unfortunately. They can be really good but are very close to monobuild. Partially cause they have so few options. Partially cause some of the options are SO much better than the rest - it's hard to justify taking something else other than DK, Draigo, Libby, Purifiers and troop termies.

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I guess there are no Grey Knight players out that wanna make their voices heard.

I have high hopes for the DaemonKin codex. Im flip flopping between the two armies and I guess until the codex comes out I wont be able to make a choice haha.

I PLAY Grey Knights, and they're great, but if you're wanting varity look elsewhere.

Grey Knights are great fun and all but if you're looking for a army to really allow you to mod things out creativly etc, they're not that type of army.

The demon kin seem to be realy bad as far as building a list goes. CSM or khorn demons aren't much better.
GK on the other hand are build around 4 type of models, it is a bit more if someone takes ally. GK are probably the better choice, but neither are very flexible.

I play GK. I enjoy them. I only just picked them up a few months ago.

I think yes if you want to be competitive and worry about winning then they are very mono and boring. I have 3 ndk's but I've only I think once used more then 1. I do have 2 dreadnoughts though, and thoroughly enjoy playing them.

I like GK because the idea and real life game of a small force against a much larger force seems/is fun. I've had games with a 4 to 1 model ratio. (GK (30) vs Nids(120)) and it was a blast.

Also I have a inquisition detachment building that helps add some cheap fodder to the army.
I also enjoy them as good change from my primary orks.