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So I've been tossing an idea around for a new CSM army. The fluff is bogging me down though and keeping me from pulling the trigger on it. In my head I want to do some conversions with CSM units and some beastmen from WHFB. My back story for this being that they were space marines whom eventually went renegade and turned against the IOM. (Uncertain of exactly why at this moment) Even after going renegade though they still attempt to save planets and people from xeno attacks around the Eye of Terror. However supplies run out and they make a decision to ask for help. In return khorne answers and provides them with tools for war. So they take their new tools and continue saving innocents, but it comes with a price. Each time they refuse to slaughter an innocent khorne mutates them just a bit further into wild beasts hoping to enrage them and cause more slaughter. BUT they hold onto their beliefs and continue fighting, even though they have become nearly unrecognizable as the space marines they once were.
So I suppose after the long winded explanation my question is, would this fit into the fluff or am I stretching it a bit much? And is the idea worth putting any effort into?

Two things
First the crunch, there really isn't an analogue for beastman in the current 40k table top rules. maybe blood letters and do a version of the daemonkin army that will be dropping tomorrow.

Second, fluff wise, if they give themselves over to Khorne but don't embrace his ideology, Khorne wouldn't piecemeal mutate them into beasts, he would just kill them or release a bloodthirster or something. Khorne is simple that way.

What would make more sense is they think they are communicating with Khorne, but in reality they are communicating with tzeench, because tzeench always answers. This arraignment would let your chapter continue trying to defend humanity while slowly being changed. They will never be accepted or thanked and slowly the mutation will drive them to madness. Which is just what Tzeench wants.

So this brings up a few more questions. Would Khorne support an army at all if they protected innocents? It's not needless slaughter but warring with Xenos would still provide skulls for the skull throne in my mind. Would he be satiated by some blood letting ritual after combat or would that not even be enough for him to care? Or does anice army bearing strong tactics and strategy not appeal to him? I apologize for the ignorance but I am reaching out to gain more knowledge.

Khorne is rage, murder, and destruction. It doesn't care about innocence or guilt. It just wants to butcher till everything is destroyed and you are knee deep in blood. Being given to khorne is your angriest state dialed up to 11, having a psychotic indifference to anything but your frustration and having a NEED (not desire) to slaughter everything around you. I agree that Tzeench would be more up your alley at least based on the current fluff. With all that said, you can play it however you'd like and if your with a group that is OK with it then more power to you.

 GKTiberius wrote:
Two things
First the crunch, there really isn't an analogue for beastman in the current 40k table top rules. maybe blood letters and do a version of the daemonkin army that will be dropping tomorrow.

You could really easily just use beastmen models, no conversions even needed, as cultists.

With minimal kitbashing they could also be marines.

This does not sound like something Khorne would do- or ever has done based on everything I've ever read. Changing things is explicitly Tzeentch's thing/

Khorne would just drive these guys to rage and they would surely lose a bit of their identity.

Here's a kind of chart for you: The "Is Khorne satisfied chart"
Ask yourself:
Are you currently killing something?
Yes---> Satisfied

No--->Not satisfied

So it doesn't really matter if they kill Xenos, as Khorne couldn't care less where skulls come from and will NEVER be satisfied enough to justify the idea that: "Well they still do kill stuff (in this case xenos), just not everything they could (innocents)".

Grishisnak wrote:
So this brings up a few more questions. Would Khorne support an army at all if they protected innocents? It's not needless slaughter but warring with Xenos would still provide skulls for the skull throne in my mind. Would he be satiated by some blood letting ritual after combat or would that not even be enough for him to care? Or does anice army bearing strong tactics and strategy not appeal to him? I apologize for the ignorance but I am reaching out to gain more knowledge.

Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, so long as people are killing and dying in his name.

It sounds like you either don't worship him or you are a bloodthirsty murderer. That's seems a bit too shallow for anything. There is no decent into the madness?

Grishisnak wrote:
It sounds like you either don't worship him or you are a bloodthirsty murderer. That's seems a bit too shallow for anything. There is no decent into the madness?

There is no decent like in the traditional sense for Khorne. What you're talking about is more in line with Tzeentch it seems.

I think it's an interesting idea but I agree that a transformation into beasts would be more Tzeentch. I don't know if you could visually depict the madness that comes from worshipping Khorne.....maybe you could convert them into Daemons of Khorne and that would be their "transformation"? Not quite fluffy perhaps but I think that could be pretty awesome (and that at least does happen in the fluff). When khorne is pleased with you, you may ascend to daemonhood. You would probably want to have a nice light or white paint scheme on their armor to signify their purity, and then you could taint it and/or put blood all over it pretty easily

Well then i'll have to look more into Tzeentch. It does seem like the path I'm desiring to take. Thank you all for the swift replies And information.

Slow mutation sounds like a Tzeetch thing.

Well then i'll have to look more into Tzeentch. It does seem like the path I'm desiring to take. Thank you all for the swift replies And information.

Oh hey if you are still talking ideas, Khorne hates Tzeentch a feth ton. You could have your Khorne army dedicated to killing Tzeentch daemons and Marines (somehow saving innocents thrown in there) and Tzeentch gets the last laugh by mutating khorne's cult of followers into beastmen.

Grishisnak wrote:
So I've been tossing an idea around for a new CSM army. The fluff is bogging me down though and keeping me from pulling the trigger on it. In my head I want to do some conversions with CSM units and some beastmen from WHFB. My back story for this being that they were space marines whom eventually went renegade and turned against the IOM. (Uncertain of exactly why at this moment) Even after going renegade though they still attempt to save planets and people from xeno attacks around the Eye of Terror. However supplies run out and they make a decision to ask for help. In return khorne answers and provides them with tools for war. So they take their new tools and continue saving innocents, but it comes with a price. Each time they refuse to slaughter an innocent khorne mutates them just a bit further into wild beasts hoping to enrage them and cause more slaughter. BUT they hold onto their beliefs and continue fighting, even though they have become nearly unrecognizable as the space marines they once were.
So I suppose after the long winded explanation my question is, would this fit into the fluff or am I stretching it a bit much? And is the idea worth putting any effort into?

I dont think the fluff is stretching that much. While it has unfortunately seemed to have been dropped in favour of more 'BLOOD' 'SKULLS' 'KILLLLL', Khorne did used to represent Martial Prowess and Honour. Yes, Khorne wants the Blood to flow, but he will give more respect to a worthy kill than a cowardly one. If your warband bypasses that orphanage of sick children to go fight a Titan, then Khorne will be way more pleased than if you had of chosen to slaughter the kids instead.

 GoonBandito wrote:

Grishisnak wrote:
So I've been tossing an idea around for a new CSM army. The fluff is bogging me down though and keeping me from pulling the trigger on it. In my head I want to do some conversions with CSM units and some beastmen from WHFB. My back story for this being that they were space marines whom eventually went renegade and turned against the IOM. (Uncertain of exactly why at this moment) Even after going renegade though they still attempt to save planets and people from xeno attacks around the Eye of Terror. However supplies run out and they make a decision to ask for help. In return khorne answers and provides them with tools for war. So they take their new tools and continue saving innocents, but it comes with a price. Each time they refuse to slaughter an innocent khorne mutates them just a bit further into wild beasts hoping to enrage them and cause more slaughter. BUT they hold onto their beliefs and continue fighting, even though they have become nearly unrecognizable as the space marines they once were.
So I suppose after the long winded explanation my question is, would this fit into the fluff or am I stretching it a bit much? And is the idea worth putting any effort into?

I dont think the fluff is stretching that much. While it has unfortunately seemed to have been dropped in favour of more 'BLOOD' 'SKULLS' 'KILLLLL', Khorne did used to represent Martial Prowess and Honour. Yes, Khorne wants the Blood to flow, but he will give more respect to a worthy kill than a cowardly one. If your warband bypasses that orphanage of sick children to go fight a Titan, then Khorne will be way more pleased than if you had of chosen to slaughter the kids instead.

Oh for feth's sake

Khorne has NEVER been about Martial Pride. There has never been any rulebook in 40k that supported Khorne being an honorable god championing martial prowess, he has ALWAYS been about senseless slaughter as long as 40k has existed.

I haven't a damn clue where people keep getting this fan fiction from.

 GoonBandito wrote:

Grishisnak wrote:
So I've been tossing an idea around for a new CSM army. The fluff is bogging me down though and keeping me from pulling the trigger on it. In my head I want to do some conversions with CSM units and some beastmen from WHFB. My back story for this being that they were space marines whom eventually went renegade and turned against the IOM. (Uncertain of exactly why at this moment) Even after going renegade though they still attempt to save planets and people from xeno attacks around the Eye of Terror. However supplies run out and they make a decision to ask for help. In return khorne answers and provides them with tools for war. So they take their new tools and continue saving innocents, but it comes with a price. Each time they refuse to slaughter an innocent khorne mutates them just a bit further into wild beasts hoping to enrage them and cause more slaughter. BUT they hold onto their beliefs and continue fighting, even though they have become nearly unrecognizable as the space marines they once were.
So I suppose after the long winded explanation my question is, would this fit into the fluff or am I stretching it a bit much? And is the idea worth putting any effort into?

I dont think the fluff is stretching that much. While it has unfortunately seemed to have been dropped in favour of more 'BLOOD' 'SKULLS' 'KILLLLL', Khorne did used to represent Martial Prowess and Honour. Yes, Khorne wants the Blood to flow, but he will give more respect to a worthy kill than a cowardly one. If your warband bypasses that orphanage of sick children to go fight a Titan, then Khorne will be way more pleased than if you had of chosen to slaughter the kids instead.

While this is true, if there is no Titan to kill, Khorne demands that you stop at the orphanage to kill. "A day without bloodshed is a day wasted in the Blood God's service", after all. Those who claim to serve him and allow a day to go by without killing someone earn the Blood God's great disfavor. Though, as Wyzilla said, "martial pride and honor" were never Khorne's sole foci, they were simply aspects of him. He was viewed by some as a pretty standard "war god" (like Aries), and so martial skill, pride and honor were part of his portfolio, along with carnage, bloodshed, warfare and violence.

As far as depicting the madness of Khorne? That's what the Khornate Berzerkers are supposed to represent.