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With Pask, the math puts the Exterminator ahead of a Vanquisher as far as damage done against AV. Obviously, the Paskinator will be better against everything else that isn't AV as well.

So is anyone using the Paskinator? Is the 48in range a big enough boost to put it ahead of the Punisher Pask for a commander who doesn't want to have to move closer?

Against "AV" possibly, but against AV 13 or 14 I think you're worse off with an exterminator, would have to run the maths on it but I'm pretty sure.

Vanquisher Pask : Reroll 1's AND 2's to hit, 2d6 pen, 8 base S, much more reliably penetrates, AP 2, +1 on vehicle damage chart.

Exterminator : Reroll 1's AND 2's (since it's TL, which is a waste imho with Pask's WT), only 1d6 Pen with S 7, additional d3 on 6's, no damage chart bonuses.

Yeah, at that point he'd be better with the plasma one, not firing its special profile. 5 S7 AP2 shots.

Myliel wrote:
Against "AV" possibly, but against AV 13 or 14 I think you're worse off with an exterminator, would have to run the maths on it but I'm pretty sure.

Vanquisher Pask : Reroll 1's AND 2's to hit, 2d6 pen, 8 base S, much more reliably penetrates, AP 2, +1 on vehicle damage chart.

Exterminator : Reroll 1's AND 2's (since it's TL, which is a waste imho with Pask's WT), only 1d6 Pen with S 7, additional d3 on 6's, no damage chart bonuses.

Out of curiousity, how is Pask getting to reroll the 2s on the vanquisher?

I was under the impression that all he had in that case was preferred enemy, which is just rerolling 1s.. Or am I being a ponce and missing something here?

 morganfreeman wrote:

Myliel wrote:
Against "AV" possibly, but against AV 13 or 14 I think you're worse off with an exterminator, would have to run the maths on it but I'm pretty sure.

Vanquisher Pask : Reroll 1's AND 2's to hit, 2d6 pen, 8 base S, much more reliably penetrates, AP 2, +1 on vehicle damage chart.

Exterminator : Reroll 1's AND 2's (since it's TL, which is a waste imho with Pask's WT), only 1d6 Pen with S 7, additional d3 on 6's, no damage chart bonuses.

Out of curiousity, how is Pask getting to reroll the 2s on the vanquisher?

I was under the impression that all he had in that case was preferred enemy, which is just rerolling 1s.. Or am I being a ponce and missing something here?

His vanquisher cannon is twin linked

Mavnas wrote:
Yeah, at that point he'd be better with the plasma one, not firing its special profile. 5 S7 AP2 shots.

If you want S7 I would agree yes, especially as his preferred enemy makes the small blasts much more reliable.

Just to compare Pasknisher and Exterminator.

1 s5 rending hit with tankhunter ~ 0.102 to glance av14
1 s7 rending hit with tankhunter ~ 0.102 to pen, 0,204 to glance av14

When you include the number of hits, you get:
20 s5 shots - 13.333 hits with just bs4 and 15.555 hits with bs4 + rerolls of 1
4 s7 hits twinlinked - 3.555 hits

Pasknisher cannon gets ~ 1.36 Glances or ~1.587 (PE) against av14
Paskminator cannon gets ~ 0.362 Pens and ~ 0.725 Glances against av14

The lower AV goes - the better pasknisher becomes in raw killing power over paskminator.

However, take note that range might matter a lot. On the other hand, 20 s5 rending shots are much better at killing anything else other than av14 AND as an IG player you have plenty of other ways to threaten av14 - even your own Pask's tankhunter lazcannon and multimeltas.

Just to compare Pasknisher and Exterminator.

1 s5 rending hit with tankhunter ~ 0.102 to glance av14
1 s7 rending hit with tankhunter ~ 0.102 to pen, 0,204 to glance av14

How do you get the "tankhunter" bit ? Psyker ? Because last I checked Pask does not have it, or do you mean his bonus rending ?

Myliel wrote:

Just to compare Pasknisher and Exterminator.

1 s5 rending hit with tankhunter ~ 0.102 to glance av14
1 s7 rending hit with tankhunter ~ 0.102 to pen, 0,204 to glance av14

How do you get the "tankhunter" bit ? Psyker ? Because last I checked Pask does not have it, or do you mean his bonus rending ?

He does. Not exactly tank hunter, but re-rolls armor penetration. Read his rules in the "unit description with pictures" section, before full picture pages.

So here are the Paskterminator numbers. Pretty sure the math is good.

AV
10 - Pens- 2.37 Glances- .79
11 - Pens- 1.78 Glances- .89
12 - Pens-.99 Glances- .99
13 - Pens-1.08 Only Pens with Rend
14 - Pens- .72 Glances- .36


These numbers are assuming you will keep any glances you get on your initial penetration rolls. If you were to re-roll your glances you would bump up your chances for penetrating hits.

The Pask Vanquisher cannon is only ever going to get 1 Pen on anything. Probably closer to .7-.9 pens per shot. Math-wise, the Exterminator seems to be a better choice for Pask's tank.

As far as the Punisher Pask goes, the math will probably always rule in favor of the Punisher over the Exterminator. The range difference is the real determining factor in choosing between the two.

I never take Pask in an Executioner, actually none of my tanks will ever be Executioners because of the turret gun now having "gets hot". Seen it happen to many time to my friends tanks (he loves the damn things) where he glances them either to or near death from Gets Hot Rolls. The best loadout for Pask I have found has been this:

Punisher
*w/ Hull Lascannon, Sponson Multi-Meltas

This gives you x20 Rending shots on top of a Lascannon and Multi-Meltas making him very useful against anything.

 gmaleron wrote:
I never take Pask in an Executioner, actually none of my tanks will ever be Executioners because of the turret gun now having "gets hot". Seen it happen to many time to my friends tanks (he loves the damn things) where he glances them either to or near death from Gets Hot Rolls.

Preferred enemy allows re-rolls on gets hot rolls, so Executioner Pask and/or any executioners in his unit would be re-rolling failed gets hot rolls.