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I know its rules form 2007 ish, but I was just looking for a little opinion from here before i go ahead and build one. Would anyone here let it be fielded? the rules for it are 300pts and all they miss are the hull points, which for a land raider are 4. I'm going to build one, cause they look cool but whether people would let me play it or not decides how soon i start the project.

What was the latest publication the Ares was in?

As long as you are using the Rules from the latest publication, if that is even required can be debated, there is nothing preventing you from fielding a Unit from previous Editions. Seventh Edition seems more concerned if the printed Datasheet came from an official Game Workshop source then how old the Rules on it are. There are certain side-effects for publication too far out of print, of course, as some Datasheets are simply unplayable without the game 'blue-screens' in Turn 1. So best to wait till someone comes back with an answer to the above question, cause I honestly do not know where the most latest Rules are and if the ones you reference are them, and I can see how badly the Rules mesh. That will at least give me a idea of how difficult it will be to convince opponents to field this Unit.

Ultimately though; you really should ask the people you intend to actually play as only their opinion matter.

Datasheet from 4th edition Apocalypse.

O... ouch.
What is the best Land Raider equivalent from a more modern book?

I love that thing. Why not? The hull points question is pretty much common sense since all of the variants have 4 like you mentioned.

Are you sure there's no updated version of it in IA2-2? FW site suggest it as a related publication, so maybe you can find rules there.

While you are at it, watch out for that "Ordnance vs Machine Spirit" argument. I have no idea what is the consensus, so you may wish to check if you actually want the thing.

I've never heard of it before, looked it up, got the bare minimum information from it, and I'd allow it on the table against me. Looks friggin awesome, and 300pts is a little on the cheap side when my Skyfire Krak version is 280pts (Hyperios), but that's just me pouting. I can't see most people having an issue. Land Raiders haven't changed much in all the time I've known about them.

JinxDragon wrote:
O... ouch.
What is the best Land Raider equivalent from a more modern book?

I'm sure that whatever it is, it belongs to the Ordo Reductor!
Currently working on a mk2b LR with TL lascannon sponsons, a graviton cannon hull weapon, HK, flare shield, extra armour, armoured ceramite, blessed autosimulacra, anbaric claw, auxilliary drive and explorator augury web. (385pts)

DA deathwing LR may be in the running with forcing the re-roll on the damage chart; and so might be the LR achillies with it's immunity to 'lance'

I've played against them.

The Ares has no rules that have become outdated or mysterious in the edition changes.

Not only would I allow you to play an Ares, I wouldn't make you pay 300 points. The Ares, as far as I can tell, has always had the same cost as the land raider terminus. That varient does have a current apoc datasheet and it has the same costs as a normal land raider.

Sure, I'd allow it. Just keep in mind that:
a. Not everyone will
b. It will be a major melta magnet (not like land raiders aren't already)

I'd price it at about 300-350pts

May have over-reacted on learning how old this thing is.
If others are correct then I see no problem either, the only real concern with old Dataslates is 'what Rules does this thing rely on which no longer exist?'

None from what I see. The only issue is Hull Points are missing. There's fluff talk of it being built by Dark Angels, for Dark Angels, but that there's also a mention that Techmarines can get the Template by asking nicely. So it looks like it should be one of those Codex: Space Marines and Dark Angels only, not Space Wolves or Blood Angels. Like the Mark V Mortis pattern Dreadnaught.

Because of the age of the publication and how easy it was to find, I hope I'm not breaking a rule by posting this link, but it's where I got my info.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/139675722/m1180096-Space-Marines-Datasheet-Land-Raider-Ares

So only one house Rule needed, pretty good for it's age.
Doubt anyone would be upset with the default Land-raider Hull Points.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
The only issue is Hull Points are missing.

There's also the minor issue of no army being allowed to take it. It's an Apocalypse-only unit which has no army/faction or FOC slot, so there's no way to take it in a "normal" game.

So, are you guys saying that Ares isn't in IA2-2?

 Peregrine wrote:

There's also the minor issue of no army being allowed to take it. It's an Apocalypse-only unit which has no army/faction or FOC slot, so there's no way to take it in a "normal" game.

Unbound.

@Barrogh: Correct. There's no Ares in IA2-2. It's got the Helios, Proteus, Achilles, and Prometheus, as well as the Spartan Assault Tank which might as well be a land raider on steroids. That's it as far as Land Raider-ish vehicles go.

Which one is the Ares? What's it's loadout?

Its got a Demolisher Cannon and Sponson TL Heavy Flamers, basically a Land Raider used to fill the role of a Vindicator.

Nice to hear you'd all pretty much allow it I will definitely make it my next project for my Marines.


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Oh, and no transport capacity

Yeah, technically its datasheet is missing 3 things.
1) Faction. So you have to house rule that to take it in any list, even unbound. The fluff makes it a DA only land raider (as the dark angels break the rules and keep patterns to themselves every now and then) so in an unbound game that makes little difference. Most people will have no issue giving it to the codex marines as well.
2) Hull points. No reason it shouldn't be 4. I think every one agrees on that.
3) Battlefield role. Again, not a hard sell that its a heavy support choice to any one actually willing to let you play it, so putting it in a battle forged list should'nt be any more difficult.

I'd still drop the point value though. The Terminus and the Ares had the same cost when they were last published together. In 7th edition the Terminus has a datasheet and costs quite a bit less.

I think rules are in the imperial armour 2 sec edition

Really? What page do you have that the no one above has?

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Really? What page do you have that the no one above has?

I got it confused with the Helios sorry