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For me it's been using a 10 man purifier with 4 daemon hammers and dishing out serious multi target damage when they come out.

What about you?

Mine has not seen a lot of table time since I finished painting it, but I like a MM up front and a TLAsC up top. Empty, flying air cover primarily, with ground support as a secondary role.

Do not be afraid to drop into hover, move 12" over the tanks you shot at in previous turns, pull a 180, then shoot one tank in the rear with a tl MM and another tank in the rear with a tl ac and a missile. I've pulled this trick a few times and it works fantastically. I've seen people miss opportunities like this because it would never cross their minds to drop into hover just to shoot, as they are too scared of loosing it. Remember in hover you are still an av12 ceremite vehicle with the option of a 4+ jink.

Expensive door stop? I haven't touched mine since they changed Helldrakes.

Martel732 wrote:
Expensive door stop? I haven't touched mine since they changed Helldrakes.

Might be to light for a door stop I'm afraid. If you really don't like it it probably would make some great terrain!


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Poly Ranger wrote:
Do not be afraid to drop into hover, move 12" over the tanks you shot at in previous turns, pull a 180, then shoot one tank in the rear with a tl MM and another tank in the rear with a tl ac and a missile. I've pulled this trick a few times and it works fantastically. I've seen people miss opportunities like this because it would never cross their minds to drop into hover just to shoot, as they are too scared of loosing it. Remember in hover you are still an av12 ceremite vehicle with the option of a 4+ jink.

I almost always end up hovering turn 3 with it to use it as an assault vehicle. Sometimes I stay in hover after just as you said to get sweet shots at rears and such. It's still hard to kill a 12 armor 4+ jinker - it's not really suicide.

No, 8th edition will make them necessary again.

It's so hard to squeeze 200 pts of efficacy out of a reserve unit. Especially with AP 1/2 nerfs vs vehicles.

Martel732 wrote:
No, 8th edition will make them necessary again.

It's so hard to squeeze 200 pts of efficacy out of a reserve unit. Especially with AP 1/2 nerfs vs vehicles.

I think you are correct - it's just too expensive, because you really pay for that assault vehicle rule and transport capacity - but it takes 3 full turns of things going your way to make it work. I think the times I've had it work for me have most just be best case scenario games - but I have to admit. When it goes right using one it's pretty hard to lose the game.

The AP 1/2 change vs vehicles has really changed my weapon load outs and philosophies. I plan on HPing out every target now, which is actually quit a bad spot for marines. I'm using MM and lascannon as anti-MC and anti-heavy infantry now more than anti-tank.

Using their transport capacity is a trap. To effectively deliver a unit you need to hover, and you will then lose your 200 point vehicle.

Use it as a gunship and nothing else.

Mostly as an unavoidable TL melta shot - you have a good chance of popping a vehicle of your choice on turn 2. I don't hover it unless I have a really tempting target, as it's almost certainly going to get shot down. If I'm ever forced to jink, I fly it off the board next turn (snap fire is bad, even with TL weapons). But I generally don't jink if I think there's a reasonable chance that it will survive whatever is shooting at it this turn - it needs to be shooting every chance it gets.

Hurricane Bolters are a trap. Infantry transportation is a trap. Skies of Fury is an overly risky method of deploying your troops, and often leads to very unoptimal placement (since you're restricted to the route your Storm Raven took - which will be dictated by how you need to attack it's target, not what the most desirable deployment route is). Using it as an assault transport requires that you drop it into hover mode and restrict your movement to 6" (bad idea). Worse, you can assault out of it on turn 3 at the earliest. It has some fun casual use as a Dreadnought assault transport - I find it hilariously satisfying to drop an Ironclad right into close combat with my opponent's warlord. But it's a pretty questionable tactic.

I like Storm Wing formation, and have been using it more and more. Strafing Run isn't that useful for the TL weapons, but it's a good buff for your stormstrike missiles. And it doesn't compete for heavy support of FA slots (both of which are competitive in the SM codex).

"you have a good chance of popping a vehicle of your choice on turn 2"

No, you don't. AP 1 got nerfed.

"Hurricane Bolters are a trap"

Not so sure about this. It's a better infantry sweeper than it is an anti-tank vehicle thanks to the AP1/2 nerfs.

Its still a 50% chance of explodes if you penetrate. That's pretty good.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Its still a 50% chance of explodes if you penetrate. That's pretty good.

Only 33%. Not so good.

Miscalcualted. Still not that terrible.

i play orks a lot and i find it works to keep it 18 inches away from any ork model and use tl lascannons to disarm heavy firepower and then to use tl mm to take out transports and tanks. the hurricane bolters are also great crowd controllers so i keep it within 24 inches of enemy infantry and they can take out a large chunk especially on low armoured units with no armour save. i NEVER use it as transport because you generally lose it when a unit deploys and i always keep it at the back of the board, why go to you enemies when they have to come to you which means they cannot use the majority of their heavy weapons when you can blast away with a gunship (i always use it with a dev squad of 2 heavy bolters and 2 lascannons as you can take out any infantry or tank with 2 heavy bolters, 2 hurricane bolters, 2 lascannons, 1 twin linked lascannon, 1 twin linked mm and 5 spare bolters and equip the sergeant with a gravgun or a multi melta)

 Grey Templar wrote:
Miscalcualted. Still not that terrible.

I'm not paying 200 pts for the privilege.

i am not wasting 200 points, i could get a termie squad for that. my friend has an army of 4 stormravens and 4 termie squads

Martel732 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Miscalcualted. Still not that terrible.

I'm not paying 200 pts for the privilege.

You will as Grey Knights.

The best use of a stormraven I have found is as a transport for a 3 meltagun and melta bomb veteran squad. You can drop it into hover and charge an imperial knight or other LoW. The stormraven itself is not terrible for the firepower but is not an efficient gunboat. If you are going to take it as a pure gunboat you are going to be wasting points. It did loose some utility due to the nerf to AP1/2 weapons but it gained the ability to fire more missiles in a single phase which helps it's turn 2 punch. Notably it got better against FMC with the extra missile turn 2.

Purifiers are actually not that bad in it as well. It can be pretty hard to not dump too many points in this setup though.

Martel732 wrote:
I'm not paying 200 pts for the privilege.

Luckly, you get four stormstrike missiles and a TL AC too. Obviously the single MM isn't what carries the Stormraven - you have a 25% chance of exploding, or 37% chance of immobilizing with that MM shot, but your followup shots with the AC and three SS Missiles will cause on average two more glances and/or pens (enough to kill most vehicles). You'll wound MC's at a slightly higher rate. Purely on a "can a Stormraven kill back it's points over the course of the game" basis, I think they can lift their weight. They have a lot of high strength AP2 shooting, and a platform mobile enough to choose exactly the best target to shoot at. IMO, it compares favorably to other stuff in the SM codex. (Just put Centstars out of your mind, and compare it to things like Predator Annihilators)

" it compares favorably to other stuff in the SM codex"

Not a glowing endorsement if I'm thinking BA. Although the BA pred is a lot better than the SM pred.

for a BA player, what do you guys think about running it as a pure gunship for TAC list?

assault cannon
cyclone missile launcher
hurricane bolter sponsons

the idea is it can take on infantry and tanks. you get an extra shot from the missile launcher instead of just one melta and it can second as 2 small blasts against infantry, which the AC and hurricanes support with as well.

thoughts?

That setup can't threaten an IK. I don't think the CML is worth 25 pts, even though its better against most vehicles now, IMO.

I need the SR mainly for antiair/some anti vehicle. I just figured why not make it decent at both?

so twin las and twin melta is best for that? what about missile launcher instead of melta for the chance of landing an extra hit? figure you glance more than destroy via pen anyway.

I’d stick with the MM. It still has a chance to blow stuff up, and the AP1 can be quite nice. Not everything has ceremite, so if you need to take down something crunchy the extra d6 can be good to have. Plus you have to pay to get the ML. It’s already a lot of points, what pay more for a lateral upgrade.

I like the TLAsC up top. IIRC the mathhammer works out to about the same as the TLLC, and it’s a more versatile gun over all.