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The thought of 10 Black knights (Rapid fire twin-linked plasma with a rending CC weapon on a bike) running around the battlefield with an independent character granting them feel no pain and he can be equipped with a grave pistol, power fist, or even a thunder hammer, makes me excited as a Dark angels player. Too bad blood chalice wont give the black knights +1 ws.

But my question is, what should i bring as my allied troop choice? My initial thought was to use a CC scout squad and the Sang Priest on a bike with a Grav Pistol. This comes to less than 11% of a 1500 point game. You get the mobile feel no pain, a grav pistol(Something DA players dont get ), and an object secured troop choice that can infiltrate then scout with 3 attacks on the charge. A pretty great little harassment unit.

What do you guys think?

You'll probably have more success with replies if you write this out as a list and post in in the Army Lists section.

why bring 10 black knights with an allied character to give them FnP when you could just take another HQ on a bike to get another ravenwing command squad and add an apothacary to both? that way you get 2 squads that can dish out an adequate amount of damage instead of 10 dudes who will overkill whatever they shoot at. 10 black knights is just too big of a squad, they will get hung up on terrain and they can only engage a single unit a turn, so barring some huge blob of terminators or something of a similar size and fortitude they will never make their points back.

I believe the effects of the blood chalice only apply to Blood Angels.

It is worth noting that the FNP no longer comes from the chalice though it comes from the narthecium, which I would assume should apply to the black knights.

But yeah, totally unnecessary as they can get a command squad with an apoc to do the same thing that are still essentially black knights.

 Renesco P. Blue wrote:
why bring 10 black knights with an allied character to give them FnP when you could just take another HQ on a bike to get another ravenwing command squad and add an apothacary to both? that way you get 2 squads that can dish out an adequate amount of damage instead of 10 dudes who will overkill whatever they shoot at. 10 black knights is just too big of a squad, they will get hung up on terrain and they can only engage a single unit a turn, so barring some huge blob of terminators or something of a similar size and fortitude they will never make their points back.

I have to at least partially agree with this. While I like the idea of having a big squad of black knights, it's largely overkill and will be awkward to work with. 10 bike bases fills a pretty large area, so you're either going to have to have them all huddled together (wrecked by blasts) or keep some of them further back, unable to fire or make it into the charge.

I mean, just looking at some of the tough stuff they'll go up against, 20 TL plasma shots is going to deal 8 wounds to a riptide, 4 if it has the 3++. And then you're going to charge with 10 HoW, followed by 40 attacks, S5 with rending, meaning 3-4 rends depending on a target's WS.

Now looking at them firing on MEQ or weaker? You'll wipe a squad of 10 with your shooting alone. Meaning I'll use combat squads, and you'll be wasting 5+ wounds every turn, and never be able to charge anything.

Better to either run 2 ravenwing command squads w/ apothecaries, do one command and one standard squad, or use two slots on black knights. Against anything but the beefiest of death stars you're better off using two squads.