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Years of waiting and the admech get a sonic close combat weapon before my noisemarines do.

For shame, GW! For SHAME!

 Spellbound wrote:
Years of waiting and the admech get a sonic close combat weapon before my noisemarines do.

For shame, GW! For SHAME!

Where in the fluff does the Emperor's Children use sonic CCW?

 Rippy wrote:

 Spellbound wrote:
Years of waiting and the admech get a sonic close combat weapon before my noisemarines do.

For shame, GW! For SHAME!

Where in the fluff does the Emperor's Children use sonic CCW?

Does that 1 guy who screams really loud at some aliens face in Fulgrim count?

 Zewrath wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Spellbound wrote:
Years of waiting and the admech get a sonic close combat weapon before my noisemarines do.

For shame, GW! For SHAME!

Where in the fluff does the Emperor's Children use sonic CCW?

Does that 1 guy who screams really loud at some aliens face in Fulgrim count?

Hmm I guess the champion could have a sonic shriek attack, but that would have a flamer template. So no

 Rippy wrote:
Hmm I guess the champion could have a sonic shriek attack

I just misread that as a "sonic shark attack". So much better.

Anyway.
You could try for a counts-as weapon - "Vibro-swords" as counts-as power swords, some kind of staff covered in pipes/speakers as a counts-as a power mace (the concussive rule being particularly appropriate), etc.

Mallich wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Hmm I guess the champion could have a sonic shriek attack

I just misread that as a "sonic shark attack". So much better.

So turbo boosting Screamers of Tzeentch?

Are you talking about the weapon taht becomes AP2 on the 2nd combat turn? It doesn't seem sonic at all - it has sensors to read the molecular composition of the enemy hit by it and adjusts its own molecular composition to defeat the enemy.

Or am I wrong?

They match the resonant frequency of the target after striking them once (that's why they're only AP2 on a 6 the first round, then are just flat AP2 every round after).

Noisemarines didn't use sonic close combat weapons in the fluff. BUT THEY SHOULD, is what I mean.

 Spellbound wrote:
They match the resonant frequency of the target after striking them once (that's why they're only AP2 on a 6 the first round, then are just flat AP2 every round after).

Noisemarines didn't use sonic close combat weapons in the fluff. BUT THEY SHOULD, is what I mean.

They are not sonic weapons AT ALL!!

Though I agree with your point, maybe a weapon that makes a large blast noise when it strikes its target?

 Spellbound wrote:
They match the resonant frequency of the target after striking them once (that's why they're only AP2 on a 6 the first round, then are just flat AP2 every round after).

Noisemarines didn't use sonic close combat weapons in the fluff. BUT THEY SHOULD, is what I mean.

That's not a sonic weapon then, it's not using sound...

 ImAGeek wrote:
That's not a sonic weapon then, it's not using sound...

If Spellbound is correct then yes, it would often be described as a sound. Just because the wave doesn't propagate well through the air, or the vibration is at a frequency outside your hearing, doesn't mean it's not a sound*.

EDIT: Now to fit them on a flock of screamers...


*Usually. Sometimes the term only applies if it's within the human hearing range (or that of a specified creature).

Mallich wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
That's not a sonic weapon then, it's not using sound...

If Spellbound is correct then yes, it is a sound. Just because the wave doesn't propagate well through the air, or the vibration is at a frequency outside your hearing, doesn't mean it's not a sonic weapon.

No it's not. It's vibrating at the same frequency as the resonant frequency of whatever it's hitting. It's not using sound as a weapon, it's just using vibrations; not all vibrations are sound waves.

Or am I wrong? Been a couple of years since A level physics.

Ah. There are various different definitions of "sound" in use. That's probably the source of the confusion. I've edited my post.

Sonic melee weapons don't exactly make much sense, I mean the closest thing to a melee sonic weapon was the Doom Siren and that's because it's amplified screams.

I'd honestly rather have some sort of fancy aspiring champ weapon that's dipped in various drugs and "toxins" that cause enemies to basically end up in the bad side of a drug overdose/haze.

Or heck, just blood dripping down from Noise Marines onto their own weapons, considering their average blood is 50% horrific drugs it should do something nasty to others.

Mallich wrote:
Ah. There are various different definitions of "sound" in use. That's probably the source of the confusion. I've edited my post.

Yeah, probably. Either way, it doesn't really feel Slaaneshy whether you count it as sonic or not, it's too technical almost, too subtle.

Hpnestly when I read it I didn't think "slanneshi sonic weapons" I thought "star trek borg"

Sound = vibration. If you hit something, it vibrates at its natural frequency. If that vibration causes a shockwave through the air that reaches our eardrums, then it makes it vibrate at the same frequency. You can hit the object in space, and it would still vibrate at the same frequency, but the sound (because that's the source of the sound, the vibration of the object) wouldn't travel to an ear to be heard.

Resonance is all about vibration - but so is sound. Literally that's all it is.

So a blade that matches the molecular resonant frequency of an object, to me, definitely speaks to sound. I'd love for my noisemarines to have something like that.

The drugs thing would be awesome, too - we used to have one of those.

 Spellbound wrote:

The drugs thing would be awesome, too - we used to have one of those.

Rest in Piece Blissgiver.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, probably. Either way, it doesn't really feel Slaaneshy whether you count it as sonic or not, it's too technical almost, too subtle.

Agreed. Noise Marines use sonic weapons because they stimulate the senses. That's their thing. A sonic weapon that breaks apart armour, cannot be felt, has no psychological affect on the target, and whose frequency is waaaaay outside your hearing range - even with enhanced hearing - defeats the point.

Mallich wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, probably. Either way, it doesn't really feel Slaaneshy whether you count it as sonic or not, it's too technical almost, too subtle.

Agreed. Noise Marines use sonic weapons because they stimulate the senses. That's their thing. A sonic weapon that breaks apart armour, cannot be felt, has no psychological affect on the target, and whose frequency is waaaaay outside your hearing range - even with enhanced hearing - defeats the point.

I more imagine it as a power type weapon that lets off an ear piercing shriek when parried or strikes something. Suits the old Emperor's children sword prowess, mixed with their addiction to stimulation.

 Rippy wrote:

Mallich wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, probably. Either way, it doesn't really feel Slaaneshy whether you count it as sonic or not, it's too technical almost, too subtle.

Agreed. Noise Marines use sonic weapons because they stimulate the senses. That's their thing. A sonic weapon that breaks apart armour, cannot be felt, has no psychological affect on the target, and whose frequency is waaaaay outside your hearing range - even with enhanced hearing - defeats the point.

I more imagine it as a power type weapon that lets off an ear piercing shriek when parried or strikes something. Suits the old Emperor's children sword prowess, mixed with their addiction to stimulation.

Yeah that's a cool idea, like it just creates a huge discordant din whenever it hits anything. Enough to burst eardrums and pop blood vessels in whatever you're fighting.


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 Spellbound wrote:
Sound = vibration. If you hit something, it vibrates at its natural frequency. If that vibration causes a shockwave through the air that reaches our eardrums, then it makes it vibrate at the same frequency. You can hit the object in space, and it would still vibrate at the same frequency, but the sound (because that's the source of the sound, the vibration of the object) wouldn't travel to an ear to be heard.

Resonance is all about vibration - but so is sound. Literally that's all it is.

So a blade that matches the molecular resonant frequency of an object, to me, definitely speaks to sound. I'd love for my noisemarines to have something like that.

The drugs thing would be awesome, too - we used to have one of those.

But purely using sound doesn't mean it fits the Noise marines. Mallichs post below sums it up well, they use sound weapons because of the stimulation they get from it. A sword matching the resonant frequency of something would probably give them very little stimulation.