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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 04:43:16
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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So, as a life long devotee to Khorne, you can imagine how happy I was with the daemonkin book. It doesn't make them exceptionally competitive, but it does at least make them as playable as the other chaos Gods. I am desperate to use the new blood Host formation, but it comes with a tax. Namely 5 possessed. It seems a current theme of GW's new releases is to encourage us to buy and use models that haven't been popular.
My Khorne army has been manufactured using the forge world upgrade kits. The world eaters shoulder pads, heads and torsos have been used a lot. And I'm very picky. I've got the dark vengeance models, and I think the chosen are very nice miniatures. Unfortunately, I've never put them on the table top of even bothered to paint them as I think they'll never get used. I think I may now have an opportunity.
My question is simple. I want to use 4 of the chaos chosen (specifically the non bolter ones) along with my Vrosh Tattersoul model as my 5 possessed. Do people think that's acceptable?
My reasons are as follows; I love the models and I'd finally get to field them. I hate the possessed models and I don't really want to buy minis that I don't like. They stand out from my other marines and therefor are different enough to surely be able to count as possessed. And lastly, with some of the possessed's rules, even things such as the power weapons could make sense.
What do people think?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 05:10:22
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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You'll be fine as long as it's obvious which are possessed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 05:30:24
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Well it should be, they're the only ones not covered on Khorne and world eaters icons. And they're the only chosen on the board.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 06:31:48
Subject: Re:'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Nurgle Veteran Marine with the Flu
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I think most reasonable people would be fine with it, I'd have no problems. You might get some resistance if it's a WYSIWYG situation though because of the lightning claws and power weapons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 06:44:20
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Yeah, I thought about that. But they are stronger than regular marines. And they roll a D3 at the beginning of the fight sub phase. With that roll they can gain re rolls to wound, ap3, or plus 1 attack and initiative.... So actually the power weapons and lightning claws actually fit quite well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 09:02:38
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Its not really something you can judge without seeing the models. I'm generally easy, but I would expect a bit of conversion work, and for them not not be armed with ranged weapons (for the most part).
I did end up using one of the chosen lightning claws on my possessed conversions, so I painted the blades bone coloured, to show they aren't power weapons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 18:19:46
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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I do get what you're saying, but I don't intend to modify the models all that much if at all. I like them as they are, and in my imagination they fit the roll perfectly. The only issue is the odd bolt pistol. But they have no ranged weapons at all, so no matter what they carry it can't be fired.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 18:36:23
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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It shouldn't be too hard to give them an extra chainsword/axe, or a knife or something in place of the weapons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 22:06:56
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Using Inks and Washes
St. George, Utah
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In my experiences, people are pretty cool with whatever as long as it's clear from the getgo how it'll be ran. If you're also running Chosen models and they've got various power weapons, but want to run these guys in the same game as possessed? That'd be a problem simply because it's not clear which is which.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 22:09:23
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Yeah I can see that. But being the daemonkin book it is impossible to take units of chosen. And also, I don't know why anyone would take chosen with various power weapons. I think that's why I've never fielded them before.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 22:43:59
Subject: Re:'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I like my opponents units to be Wisywig as far as war gear goes and for me to be able to tell one type of unit apart from another. I might have to be told which is which but if he puts both units on the table and I can see, without being told, that the two units don't use the same datasheet or are intentionally different (this could be as simple as the paint colors used)we will be good.
I had an oppponant I played on a regular basis. He had a bunch of cultists and he liked them. Then he started running them as zombie. Perfectly fine. But then he started running some of them as cultists and some of them as zombies and they were painted the same way. I had to tell him if he was keen on repeating that we would have to get him a box of vampire count zombies or something so I could tell his units apart at a glance.
Now, you don't NEED possessed models to make use of this codex. The formations can be taken outside of a bloody host and still be in a battle forged army and a CAD/Allied detachment is also available as always.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 23:06:48
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Yeah, I know that. But the blood Host Detachment grants you a blood tithe point every turn just for taking the detachment. I think that makes it worth it alone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/08 23:17:09
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Khaine's Wrath wrote:Yeah, I know that. But the blood Host Detachment grants you a blood tithe point every turn just for taking the detachment. I think that makes it worth it alone.
Right, but if you're going to "counts as" a unit as something then you need to make at least some sort of effort in making it appear that way. I made Possessed out of some extra Berzerkers and spare bitz I had laying around. The Berzerkers are essentially being used as counts as, but they have daemon arms, claws, and tentacles because I felt that I would be doing a disservice to my opponent by just using Power Armored models and calling them Possessed without making any real effort in having them appear to be what I am claiming them as.
In the end it's up to your opponents discretion but I personally would expect some form of converting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/09 11:39:00
Subject: Re:'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Been Around the Block
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You could just paint them with the icons that the posses generally bear. The best option imo is just to use the possessed add on pack. You could just swap the backpacks around with the winged ones and it would be plainly obvious that they are possessed. Or just add some tentacles or claws that don't look like they are hand crafted. Or just paint them purpleish like the possessed are. Good luck though, I originally thought of doing this but never came round to doing so
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/09 16:40:57
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Morphing Obliterator
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The chosen IIRC have also some degree of mutations so they should be fine as long as your opponent is informed. The Wrathmongers from WHFB could also be a nice option for Khorne possessed marines.
they lack bolters/pistols and are marine sized red guys with bloodletter's heads and legs, that's possessed to me
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/10 00:04:35
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Using Inks and Washes
St. George, Utah
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I personally am all for cool conversions whenever. Just know those guys are quite huge. I don't think they'd fit on a 32mm base, honestly. I think you'd have to go terminator size. Not sure it's really appropriate for possessed marines, from a comparison model size sake.
I personally would have no problem with it, because rule of cool > rules in the book. I just know there's a lot of anal retentive warhammer types who'd get bent out of shape about it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/10 05:57:10
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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They look pretty good for daemonkin possessed. Pretty sure they'd fit 32mm with... Imaginative use of overhanging scenery.
Of course the FW possessed are on 40mm bases.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/10 16:08:50
Subject: 'Counts as' models - Chaos possessed.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Yeah, just spotted the forgeworld possessed. We might have a winner.
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