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long story short I'm trying to find out with the best allies for the adamantine Lance formation would be. I have 730 points left and I'm not sure what to do with it

currently I am thinking about sisters with out flanking immolators

Skitarii dunecrawler

or Chaos space marines with a couple of heldrakes

this list isn't for friendlies.

My first impression would be CSM and the Heldrakes.

ragazzacane wrote:
allies for the adamantine Lance

this list isn't for friendlies.

Obviously.

So, on that note, bring smashgakker and bikes as troops. Not that expensive (at least not 730 points expensive). You'll be sure to win games/lose all the friends.


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Unless you were talking about only taking what you mentioned, in which case, CSM with heldrakes would probably be the best. Good anit-air, and anti-3+ saves.

You would take the nob bikers over some whitescars?

As for the csm, I could not get much more in 730 points. Two heldrakes, 2 troops in rhinos, 2 lvl 2 sorcerers.


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Wasn't smashgakker a 5th ed HQ?

Yall should take a look at my adamantine lance formations with drakes

I've seen some Tau allies do well (despite the cheese factor) with riptide(s) and broadsides, and maybe it was devilfish transport and troops?. I'm not too familiar with that army, but could it be that they were using that firebase formation?

Seems pretty hard to beat. 3 knights is the min for a lance right? What does the formation give you? its in the knight codex right>

 xTHExCLINCHERx wrote:
I've seen some Tau allies do well (despite the cheese factor) with riptide(s) and broadsides, and maybe it was devilfish transport and troops?. I'm not too familiar with that army, but could it be that they were using that firebase formation?

FBSC is always a good choice, but it's a lot of points and A LOT of money.

Lance plus Fire Base Support Cadre is something I've seen work well.

Holy gak thats a thing...... Just 2 broadside teams and 1 Riptide..... I have 9 broadsides and 2x Riptides.... with two knights

Firebase Support Cadre is the best ally for AdLance. Brings the AA and volume fire that Knights lack and is probably the best Formation in the game (close run by the AdLance itself).

What are you talking about OP. People who play adimantine can't have allies. Everyone hates them!

I feel like I was just in a thread where they were talking about bringing two FBSC.

The formation gives reroute on the invulnerable save and retold charge plus D3 hammer of wrath.

So 2 broadside units and a riptide is a regular formation huh?
What book is it out of?

It is in a dataslate that can be purchased through the digital section of black library. Came out around Christmas 2013.

Good god! FBSC, for those that know about Tai, but don't want to waste the troop tax. Why doesn't every one get data sheets of just their best units?


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 IngenuityGap wrote:
It is in a dataslate that can be purchased through the digital section of black library. Came out around Christmas 2013.

What were you saying about it being free on the Internet if you googled it? And like the first link.

ragazzacane wrote:


What were you saying about it being free on the Internet if you googled it? And like the first link.

I was saying what I am allowed to on the forum. If you managed to put two and two together, all the better. Enjoy!

Knights and Scars are a Tournament list. The Knights carve up the centre, the Scars flank, pick on units that need picking on, Jink away damage at MEQ levels, and then turbo-boost away from danger, onto objectives.

My friend plays it pretty regularly [2 Knights] and it's a tough nut to crack. Add a Talon for Flyer control, and laugh maniacally.

 greatbigtree wrote:
and laugh maniacally.

This is actually a requirement. You can't opt out of it.

I like the scars but I honestly don't see them trading with the FBSC.

Between the skyfire/intercepted riptide with Ion.
the 2 units of broadsides, with 2 marker drones, 2 Missle-cepters and a split firing ap guy.

You can't jink away from markerlights

You can't run up on them without going through 3 knights first.

Everything moves 12, all the tau have an assault move as to ensure that special over watch.

I've yet to meet any Tau player who likes Overwatch.

My favorite used to be Necrons.

Specifically bargelord and flyers for aa and an objective drop. may not work as well in new book.

I've been thinking about Hive Fleet Detachment with 3 Flyrants and min Mucolid. It just about fits in 1850. And gives you weight of fire and anti air that you lack with Ad Lance.

Destroyer Cult has some possibilities too...

I like the flyrants but actually in terms of what id least like to face, id have to say I fear MSU white scars with adamantine lance. The reason is because although the flyrants bring another dimension to the list (flying->speed, anti air and high volume of shots) in terms of dealing with them they are relatively similar (yes they are FMCs but you still just get 6 big multiwound targets and its pretty easy to prioritise and concentrate fire). the scars bring some tough fast maelstrom grabbing obsec bikes, gravguns, antiinfantry with thunderfires and potentially anti air with storm talon. But overall bring a range of threats.

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I can't speak to the Tau thing, but it sounds like they're mostly static Fire Support. The issue of going through the Knights to get them, is kind of Moot if you're using Knights of your own. Plus, the Scars wait for a turn for your knights to advance, then move around them on the flanks, or straight through the middle if you're spread out.

In terms of Objective Grabbing, a static cluster wouldn't help much, whereas the mobile fire support that Scars provide would be ideal. Scars can hit and run on a 4-, so if you need to stop something from shooting you in the face, you can shoot them, charge them [deny firepower firing back] H&R away 67% of the time [More with a high Init Character] shoot them and charge again. I'm pretty sure that would spank the living tar out of those Tau support whatevers.

That's my view, though I haven't played against Knight / Tau combos before.

You've clearly never played against a FBSC it would kill all the bikes by end of turn 2, then start taking about the opponents Knights. In that direct match up there is pretty much no way for the Scars player to not get tabled.

However the Scars list gives other lists problems as it can wrack up points. MSU ObSec spam lists will happily ignore the AdLance&FBSC hoping to out score it whilst avoiding being tabled. Scars list causes them more problems. However the Scars list doesn't help the AdLance deal with: Pod Alphastrikes, Flyers, Hordes, 2+ invuns, invisistars, Revenants etc

It depends on your meta but for me FBSC helps more against more armies. Though pressurises you to table when playing Maelstrom. Scars list carries a fraction of the threat level but gives more mobility and scoring, though loses the direct match up.

I play draigostar and I'm much more afraid of the scars list because of its quickness and close combat capabilities... Not to mention the objective grabbing speed late game

Close combat abilities? What CC abilities does it bring with the 700 points invested?

 FlingitNow wrote:
Close combat abilities? What CC abilities does it bring with the 700 points invested?

Non really, cc is your worst enemy. But something you will rarely have to worry about from behind the Lance.

What you ARE you are providing interceptor, skyfire and lots of so or higher S shots. Many of which are ap or ignores cover. To stop deep strikers and the like from getting behind the Lance.

You also get the Tua special overwatch.

So, on the scars hit and run, who would waste a unit of scars trying to bounce off a knight? Between D weapon attacks and the stomps....

I actually got to try this list against both a grey knight.and a Tau with csm and his own knight.

Both games I only lost the broadsides. Exempt I lost my riptide to charging a Tua commander...now I know they can be swept, and about the S10 weapon they can get.

Also, broadsides do not move 12, no one even said anything, but I had them confused with crisis suits. Isn't there a way to use them as troops?

He said he is afraid of the CC ability the scars provide over the FBSC. I was questioning that. I am well versed in the FBSC as in the past I've run 2. As well as running one with 3 Knights.

Neither Broadsides nor Crisis move 12" a turn. With no MLs you'll rarely want to move your Broadsides anyway as you'll be snap shooting.