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so this isn't quite complete, and I'm just doing some pondering on army list. I'm shooting for 1850 points. I'm not quite there yet, but wanna get some potential feedback on the list. I actually have the grey knights and 2 ranger squads. the rest I'll need to buy.

Nemisis Strike force
HQ: Grey Knight ML3 librarian w stormbolter 140 pts
Troops: 1 Squad GK terminators 4 swords + hammer +psycanon 190 pts
Heavy Support: Nemisis Dreadknight with personal teleporter sword, Psycanon, heavy Incenerator 225

555 pts total
Skitarii Maniple:
2x Slitarii rangers (10) with Omnispex 130 pts each
Skitarii Vanguard with 3 arc rifles 145 Pts
Skitarii Vanguard with 3 Plasma Calivers 190 pts
2x Skitarri Vanguard 100 pts each
3 Onager with Neutron laser and heavy stubber 360 pts total
3 Ironstriders

A single NDK is not going to cut it.
I'd include a second one.

 wuestenfux wrote:
A single NDK is not going to cut it.
I'd include a second one.

hmm I don;'t have a second one, but I do have a knight Paladin, I could always chop the iron striders and the deamon hammer on the GKTs to slide a Knight Paladin into the list.

NDK are best in twos... Plus you don't have to cut everything to fit the knight paladin

Def a second NDK.. because your opponent will probably try an knock one of them out at the start of the game


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Def a second NDK.. because your opponent will probably try an knock one of them out at the start of the game

Agreed NDK work best in at least pairs. Otherwise the GK contingent seems decent. Skitarii looks miles away from optimised.

First principles with the army is you are a shoot glass hammer. Much like DE but you give up mobility to gain massive damage output. Also the Doctrine Imperitives can further increase this damage output in the early game. If you haven't crippled your opponent by the end of turn 2 you're probably going to lose. So much like DE you want MSU and streamlined units that excel at one thing. Minimise loses by forcing your opponent to overkill small units, maximise damage output through dedicated kill teams.

Rangers in big units aren't great due to cost vs killing power. They have good range so taking 2 Arquebuses in 5 men can be worth it with an omnispex. But without special weapons the Omnispex is wasted points.

The Vanguard squads however do need Omnispex to maximise damage of their special weapons. Again smaller units is often best particularly with Arc weapons. However due to the cost of Plasma Caliver they need the extra body bags of 10 bodies. Again the naked full units don't do enough for their points.

With the Onagers you have to ask yourself are they as good as a Knight errant. 3 small blasts are a little better than 1 large, S10 is not as good as S9 melta. But with the Knight you gain a 4++ that lasts till the end AV13 D Weapon and stomps for just 10 points difference. Personally I would drop them for a Knight Errant.

As above split the Ironstriders into 3 units of 1.