Otto Weston wrote:Recently read the 'First Heretic' in the
HH series and I was wondering about a couple things -
The Gal Vorbak could switch between Human Form and Corrupted Form, subsequent Possessed Marines can't.
Also when a Human or Marine or Primarch ascends into a Daemon Prince or Primarch, are they really just possessed? Do they have a Daemon in their mind too?
1. I think the Gal Vorbak could change because, being the first, the possession was mutual, and the daemons and astartes were on a more equal footing in a symbiosis of sorts. Later possessed are just brutally being used as vessels for daemons. While they allow themselves to initially be possessed, they give up all control to the daemon and therefore, it’s much less mutual.
2. As far as I can tell, becoming a daemon involves the soul being pumped full of warp essence by a power of the warp. So for Fulgrim to become a daemon Primarch Slanessh basically had to give him a lot of essence as power. This power destroyed his mortal form and made him a being of pure spirit and will. The process would be similar for anyone ascending to princedom. If a possessed were to ascend the marine should would be empowered not the daemon. Which leads me to believe possessed rarely ascend, as they are not powerful enough in will or fortitude to accomplish the glories for the chaos gods required to ascend, without the aid of a daemon
Otto Weston wrote:Okay thanks for the responses -
Further question:
Would a Possessed Marine ascend into a Daemon prince? If so, would he still be mentally bound with the original Daemon?
Apart from the answer given above, if a daemon curried favor with a power, he would just be promoted or given more power ( a greater piece of the god’s will). So if the possessed was worthy of daemon princedom, he would have to do something significant enough, without the daemons help, to gain the god’s attention. Otherwise the God would just promote the Daemon as the mortal was just a tool and a shell for the daemon to act through.