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Hey, I'm brand new to warhammer. Really like the CSM models so wanted to try them my league is a 500 point for beginners.

The list I'm concocting is

1x Chaos lord
-Mark of Khorne
-Lighting Claws

8x Khorne Berzerkers
-Champion

8x Khorne Berzerkers
-Champion



Please help with ideas. Haven't bought models yet so up for any discussion. League rule is no named units for first month and no flyers for first week flying units treated as with jump pack.

League has several orc armies. Greyknights, tau, blood angles, and tyrniads. ANY and all advice would be great


Thank You.

Unfortunatley you will probably never make it into CC facing Tau, and possibly Nids. Orcs or nids can drown you in numbers. Grey Knights may be doable if the bring PA. Blood Angels can have heavy flamers witch is dangerous. You are facing an uphill battle, but I say more blood for the blood god. I hope you have fun.

Look at khorne daemon kin and use their formation for rule bonuses.

Yeah.. regular csm bezerkers are a bad unit. As a beginner you will find you suffer horribly from being shot off the board before you can do anything.

What models do you have?

Any other ideas on troop choices? I have no models have lots of store credit in my local gamestop using that to buy them when I figure out what I'm needing

If you like khorne, the daemonkin have access to bloodletters, chaos marines and bezerkers as troops. (and cultists, if you don't use the fancy formation)

Chaos marines are probably the best troop in either list, although many people just take the minimum amount of cultists as troops.

Some guy named Fritz has a channel on Youtube and talks a lot about chaos.
Now I'm just parroting, but...
*General opinions are the best units to be daemon princes (and their characters) cultists and yes still the helldrake.
*If you want to run CSM the most point efficent method is to take a min bare squad in a rhino with the Havoc Launcher
*Using Daemonkin and the specific formations currently makes for one of (if not, the) best chaos choice.

Okay all this is really helpful. I have no idea really what I'm looking at so much when im.reading through codexs. I like the CSM and have no problem going black legion crimson slaughter or khorne deamonkine. Any actual trip suggestions would be aweome.

Whats your budget?

All the really nasty stuff is in the FW book, and costs an arm and a leg.


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whaareas daemonkin, everything you need is in one book.

Ever think about running Nurgle?

You can run a chaos lord, and 2 squads of plague marines.

They have a higher toughness (5), as well as feel FNP and a plague knife.

They are pretty sweet.

I could do nugle. Like I've stated I'm brand new and just kinda going off what I've read in codex haha

As far as I know forged world is not allowed in our beginer league. I'd haft to check 100 precent.

I'm a pretty experienced Chaos player... I've got to say, I like the new Khorne Daemonkin Codex a lot more than the regular CSM codex. You could run the exact list you have now, but can make it so much better.
Daemon Princes are awesome, but at 500 pts, you don't really want them unless it's part of a Khorne formation... Even then, that's a lot of points for 1 model...
With the Khorne codex , you'll be able to take more units, and a more varied set of units- the more you kill (and get killed) the more skills/units your army can get using Blood Tithe points... I haven t lost a game using the new codex yet!

Alright so you like the army I got? Think itl be fun to play with for a month. Then it goes to 750 would you to a demon prince after that?

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Buy the starter box, dremel, green stuff, small earth magnets, chaos space marine set and go to town. Sand down all dark angle icons to replace them with nurgle mutations or khorne icons. Add spikey bits and tenticals. You will have a full army plus gaming rules exc for super cheap. Nurgle bikes and terminators are great, but the new formations of khorne are pretty sweat too. Check out ebay and youtube. If you buy something with options use magnets. Like on the hand that holds the flamer, melta, or plasma.

I run chaos and Daemons about 6000 and 3000 so yeah... all great models and perfect army for greenstuff

Can't use name units for first month like khorne himself.

Looked at the starter box just want sure if it was worth It.

Loving the info on all of this.

And play tips you guys can give me on how to best utilize my units?

At 500 pts I'd field this as competitive:

HQ

Chaos Lord - MoK, melta bombs, Sigil of Corruption, VotLW, Axe of Blind Fury

Troops

10x Cultists - No upgrades
10x Cultists - No upgrades

Fast

5x Chaos Spawns

Heavy

1xObliterator

CSM troops are usually not worth their points (I love them thou so I usually field CMS/Zerks/Plague, but cultists are better), the cultists should just sit on objectives and pretty much hide in cover while going to the ground to avoid as many casualties as possible.

The Juggy+spawns is an excellent unit at any point limit, and fielding it at 500 pts I can't think on anything that can realiable kill them... except S10 AoE that'd be your worst enemy, keep them in cover as much as possible.

The oblie is there just to give some support on turn 1, or if you are facing a heavy armor army you could deepstrike him behind enemy lines and blow up something, with 2+/5++ at 500 he should be hard to take down.

Wow thank you that's awesome. So the cultists just sit in cover and shoot at the enemy while the chaos spawns and lord just wreck?

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Wow thank you that's awesome. So the cultists just sit in cover and shoot at the enemy while the chaos spawns and lord just wreck?

Pretty much. You'll have a hard time against shooty armies but assuming you don't get the hammer & anvil deploy the lord should be charging on turn 2 with the spawns.


I just played a few weeks ago a 750 game vs a Tau with this same list, except that I had a squad on plague marines on a rhino as elites as well. The jugger & spawns took some heavy punishing but using some smart wound allocation (need to know when to use LoS so save with the HQ 3+, and when to just let the wounds go to the spawns) managed to get into combat being only the Jugger with 2 wounds and 2 spawns, one of them with a single wound left. Once they made contact with the Tau suits it was over, due to the multiple wounds on the suits + drones and me having only 2 spawns left, they survived the first round, stood their ground, finished them on his turn, so on my turn now next to the rest of his units I assaulted a 10 man fire warriors unit with the spawn, and another suit unit with my juggy, after overwatch the juggy had 1 wound left, enough to kill his second and last unit of suits, the spawn didn't get any wounds from the fire warriors, beat them on combat and swept them.

At the end of the game all that was left was my cultists, the oblie and some plagues on my side vs another squad of fire warriors who didn't have enough power to take down the rest of my army, so I lost the spawns and the jugger but the game was won. What I'm saying is that against gunlines the first turns will be tough but the spawns will manage to make it, 15 wounds T5 that ignore terrain and move 12" + run with fleet is pretty good.

Another plus would be that all of those units are used on higher games. My 750 game was actually for a escalation tournament, so needed to keep those same units until 2000 pts, at 1000 pts I added a sorcerer on bike with 3-4 nurgle bikers to have another quick unit that could buff themselves and/or the juggy as they ride into combat. That and more oblies, rhinos with CSM armed with meltas/plasmas and so on.

Cool thank you so much. Starting pricing out and looking into this army. Still open for any more help topics through as I said still new and looking for really any good opions or tips.

If your going in the daemonkin of khorne codex you might want to try investing into a soulgrinder, its a ridiculous beast that does it all, for 165pts you get a super tough tank at AV13-13-11 that has 4 hull points, a 5+ invulnerable save, it has a long range very strong large blast with the phlegm bombardment AND can close combat most things to the ground with 4-5 str10 ap2 attacks per turn, to top it off it can shoot down flyers if they are arround.

Fleshhounds are also pretty boss so I could recommend going with them too

Sweet thanks. It's sounding like everyone suggesting khorne daemonkin if going csm for perks. so I will haft to pick up there codex as well.