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Skitarii Maniple: 1045
10 Vangaurd, 3 Arc Rifles, Arc Pistol, Arc Maul, Conversion Field, Omnispex. 195
10 Vanguard, 3 Arc RIfles, Arc Pistol, Arc Maul, Conversion Field, Omnispex. 195
10 Vanguard, 3 Plasma Culvilers, Phosphoenix, Power Sword, Conversion Field, Omnispex. 250
10 Rangers, 3 Transuranic Arquebus, Omnispex. 205


05 Ruststalkers,The Omniscient Mask, Data Spike, Conversion Field. 200

Flesh Tearers: 765
Captain, Artificer Armor, SS, Valour's Edge. Veritas Vitae, Melta Bomb.165

10 Tac, Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Veteran SGT, Power Weapon, Flame Pistol, Melta Bomb, Drop Pod. 230

Drop Pod 35
Drop Pod 35
Drop Pod 35
Drop Pod 35

Storm Raven, Hurricane Bolters. 230

Total: 1810

Ruststalker go in the Storm Raven with the Captain as a very hard hitting assault unit.

Everything else goes in a Drop Pod.

If I go first, Rangers with Transuranic Arquebus deploy to hold back field objective. If not they can get in Drop Pod, so they don't get singled out.

Consolidated Relics onto 1 Captain and dropped second for points.

There are 40 points left over.

Thoughts or advice.

10 Vanguard can only have 3 special weapons. maybe you're including the arc pistol? (a good buy if you need more shotz for Knights or something)

Infiltrators might be better than Ruststalkers in a drop pod, since they have Stealth and shooting. But more Vanguard might be even better. If you do take Ruststalkers, keep the grenades and claws, don't get the blades.


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oic you said ruststalkers in the stormraven. yeah that's good just keep the claws and grenades and with a space marine IC they will clobber everything

Doesn't the character have access to special weapons? If not swith to pistols of the same name.

Why is the claw better than plus 1 Str?

On the charge you wound T4 on a 2+ and the character can get a second hand.

the claw threatens tough MC's but it's much more about the poison haywire grenades!

Yeah blades are better than claw just about. But the loss of assault grenades with Haywire and poison makes the Blades a poor choice.

Not convinced on value of Melee weapon, how many spare points do you have?

Let me get this right, for your first 2 turns all your gonna have on the table are 20 Vangaurd? Or have I missed something.

30 Vanguard by the looks of it turn 1, plus whatever turns up turn 2.

Wait, I thought D pods come in halves.

they do. half the pods would come down turn one

Ahh my bad, didnt see the pod with the marines.

Yeah 30 guys is a good enough alpha. But putting your captains in a SR is a terrible idea. Stick them in a pod as a counter assault.

I see one flaw with this list: objectives behind your lines. You are going to want to have all your other troops assaulting and moving forward, making any squad that stays behind sit idly. You could add a 5 man team of Rangers with 2 arquebuses and an omnispex to hold rear objectives and soften enemy resistance.

I agree with vulkan those squads (i need to try it out) but on paper they seem like a good squad to pop rhinos and other light vehicles.

@Thanks Vulcan's Forge Master I will add that or maybe some heavy support.

Adding points and fixing Special Issue Wargear is not Special Weapons


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A Ranger Squad with 2 TA and Omni is 125.

If I dropped a piece of War Gear I could add one.

Or if the a Captain can have 2 Relics I can drop the other and add 2 Ranger Squads since many maps have 2 close objectives.

Although they will be weak to assault and if I go second they will be targeted with no assistance.

Thoughts?

I think they will be worth their value. I really like this force because it is flexible, allowing it to react to your opponent's deployment. Also, this squad is not meant to be in the main path of attack and preferably in cover: the your opponent with have to either divert fast units to handle them or shoot at them. Their 6+ FNP should help against shooting enemies, and the Galvanic Rifles the rest of the squad has are fairly powerful. In addition, this will draw enemy fire and units away from your assault troops, giving them time to make contact with the enemy.

Gillliland, is this your list?

Yes it is, I guess I should have slapped my forum name on Facebook.


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Dropped second Captain, gave Veritas Vitae to first Captain.

Added 2 Ranger squads with 2 Transuranic Arqbuses and Omnispex.

Might consolidate into 1 10 Ranger Squad with 3 TA and Omnispex. That way I can null deploy and only lose 1 TA and more wounds to protect the specialists. However, less board coverage.


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Alternative list. Drop 4 pods turn 1.

10 Vanguard, 3 Arc Rifles, Omnispex. 155
10 Vanguard, 3 Arc Rifles, Omnispex. 155
10 Vanguard, 3 Arc Rifles, Omnispex. 155
10 Vanguard, 3 Arc Rifles, Omnispex. 155
10 Vanguard, 3 Plasma, Omnispex. 200
10 Vanguard, 3 Plasma, Omnispex. 200
Skitarii Total 1010

Captain, Artificer Armor, SS, Valour's Edge. Veritas Vitae, Melta Bomb.170

9 Tac, Heavy Flamer, Veteran SGT, Power Weapon, Melta Bomb, Drop Pod. 195

Drop Pod 35
Drop Pod 35
Drop Pod 35
Drop Pod 35
Drop Pod 35
Drop Pod 35

Storm Raven, Hurricane Bolters. 230
Flesh Tearer Total 805

Total 1815

do you have a Special weapon on the Tac Squad? if so I am not seeing it. I would add a Plasma/Melta just to flesh it out a bit also what weapons are you having on the Storm Raven?

Original it has a heavy flamer and a flamer.
Alternative only a Heavy since it is under 10.

Currently it is Storm Ravens: MultiMelta, Assault Cannon, Hurricane Bolters. I can see running Lascannons instead of Assault Cannons.

With such reliance on Storm Raven and reserves I'd consider swapping out for Captain Karlaen with his guaranteed reroll for reserves.

@winterman: I don't see a Captain Karlaen in the Blood Angels Book

Forge World??

Captain Karlean is in Shield of Baal: Deathstorm. Not Forgeworld.

He IIRC allows reroles for reserves or +1 to your roles.
he is a terminator Capt with TH/SB
not bad choice but who would he role with? not the Tac Squad and I would not send him alone in the raven because he has to be on table for his abilitys...

If his ability works like the Strategic Table he doesn't have to be on the table. He only has to be alive.

With the Veritas Vitae I have 3 chances to get it.

Also does the extra Command Role have to be made second or can I roll it first and then change tables?


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I am placing my HQ in the Ruststalkers inside the Storm Raven so they can Assault where I need them on my terms.

It protects them and gives them fantastic mobility and flexibility.

Oh I thought you changed to the second list, that works then.
and as long as he is alive you can rerole...

If I went with the second list he would join the SM Tac Squad.

Please make me less ignorant ...

What section of the BA Codex or the BRB allows 4-6 Fast Attack choices in an Allied Detachment instead of being limited to one?

its a Flesh Tearers Detachment out of Baal Extermanatus book.