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Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Ok, why are we ignoring the part in the eldar codex where they specifically state they weren't even worried about the necrons as an opponent during the war? Hell, they remember when the war actually started and the old ones ASKED for help. Necron propaganda calls the conflict the war in heaven, that isn't what the eldar refer to.

The old ones didn't create the eldar, they were not their gods, they were allies and the old ones showed them how the web way worked that is all. The eldar gods exist, the eldar cannot be confused as to what they call the war in heaven because they can just ask the Harlequin who can just ask Cegorach.

I'm assuming we are ignoring it because it's absurd to think such passages would exists. From what I've read so far, GW rarely bothered to change old fluff, they either handwave/ignore the ones inconvenient to the current trend of the story or outright copypaste them into the new codexes/codice (with the exception of the Newcrons and 2nd Edition). Whenever a person write something like this is in the codex, more often then not it's just misinterpretations. Either way, citation needed.

MarsNZ wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:

I'm assuming we are ignoring it because it's absurd to think such passages would exists.

Odd considering how much of the Necron fluff consists of absurdities just like the one you quoted.

I happen to believe the newcron is the best thing that's ever happened to the Necrons. Instead of emotionaless cardboard cut-outs of a faction we now have actual drama and character within it. It makes room for personal (necronal) ambition, inter-dynastic intrigues and the much-hated but actually makes a lot of sense BA-Necron alliance (and no, it's not battle-brothers and the Crons were just using the Space Vampires for their own ends. No bro-fist for yo.)

No, it's not absurd. It's a dramatic departure from the 3rd Edition Necron, the first actual incarnation of them as a faction. The Oldcron was an ill-conceived idea for a game that had been about "your dudes", and the Newcrons have been the better option. Good riddens that the Oldcrons are gone. Despite being made by a certain monstrosity, it's still one of the best retcons GW has made.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Page 7 4th paragraph down on the left

"Even when the galaxy was young there were upstart races seeking to gouge out petty empires of their own, and the eldar waged war against the sprawling Necron dynasties that damaged dozens of star systems and cost trillions of lives.... Even the greatest of their wars, known in the mythic cycles as the war in heaven did not humble them."

In this passage the two are listed separately. The old ones cannot be representative of the eldar gods, because the war was between the gods and the eldar know what the Necron and old ones are.

I will also note that in the CURRENT Necron codex that the eldar are listed only as an ally to the old ones. Not some sort of purpose bred weapon for them.

That's what I have right now.

You see, it's you own interpretation. No where does it say that they are not bred by the old ones either. The so called "War in Heaven" is most likely the same as the Necron wars, because, the other War In Heaven would be the one where the Eldar Gods are dead, and Slaanesh was born. Also the new Necron dex specifically named their war with the Old Ones as the War In Heaven. This sentence would make no sense if it were to describe the post-fall eldar, since the Fall (the Slaaneshi WiH would have certainly humbled all but the most deprived sub-sect of Eldars).

If I were to second guess the intention of the author, I'd say the WiH and the Eldar-Necron war is very likely to be the exact same thing. Since a "Mythic Cycle" is exactly what it is - myth. Inspired and dramatized from actual, ancient events. I also wonder if it's just Eldars that are listed as allies, since I can see the Old Ones' got a lot of "allies", that don't mean they have not uplifted them to become allies. Maybe the Old Ones are just not into slavery? I don't know. But there is no retcon here. It's just straight up neglecting to mention old fluff.