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The Frag Cannon on a Furioso Dreadnought is an assault 2 template weapon. How does this work with regards to Wall of Death and No Escape? Do I get 2d3 hits on a charging unit and 2d6 on a unit embarked on an open topped transport, per the assault 2 side of the weapon rules, or just a flat d3 and d6, per it being a template weapon?

Wall of Death and No Escape state D3 and D6 respectively, with no mention of it being per shot the weapon fires.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, just wanted to check Thanks

One slight counter-suggestion:

I completely agree on Wall of Death. The rule gives you D3 automatic hits instead of firing overwatch, and does not reference the weapon's rate of fire at all.

No Escape, however, does: "Models inside an open top transport take 1d6 hits for each template hit taken by the transport" - if you fire two templates you will hit the transport twice.

So it's 2D6 hits for No Escape and D3 hits for Wall of Death as I see it.

locarno24 wrote:
One slight counter-suggestion:

I completely agree on Wall of Death. The rule gives you D3 automatic hits instead of firing overwatch, and does not reference the weapon's rate of fire at all.

No Escape, however, does: "Models inside an open top transport take 1d6 hits for each template hit taken by the transport" - if you fire two templates you will hit the transport twice.

So it's 2D6 hits for No Escape and D3 hits for Wall of Death as I see it.

Hmmm.

Under 'Template Weapons' in the Special Rules section, 'No Escape' states:

"If a Template weapon hits a building's Fire Point or an Open-topped vehicle and there is a unit embarked inside that building or vehicle, then in addition to any other effects that unit suffers D6 hits, resolved at the Strength and AP of the weapon. These his are Randomly Allocated."

I would say that "when a template weapon hits..." means that when you score a hit with a template weapon, you deal d6 wounds. Whereas for wall of death it simply says "it automatically inflicts d3 wounds", nothing about hits or shots.

So I'd say for every hit you deal d6 for no escape, while wall of death simply inflicts d3 regardless of shots. Simply because no escape specifically points out "when the weapon hits", and you can have multiple hits.

It actually says "if" a template weapon hits, which is a minor difference. I think it's a leap as far as RAW is concerned to consider it triggering per shot that hits, but if it's wide differently in multiple parts of the rulebook then it's not necessarily or clearly the case.

The template weapon hits, twice. I think I'm with bobbito and lucarno.

As for wall of death, I think RAW I agree with what's been stated but HIWPI is that you'd do 2d3. I can't think of a single other template weapon with multiple shots in the entire game, so them not having the foresight to reword the rule to work on a per-shot basis seems like typical GW.

"If it hits..." means that 1 or 1000 hits, you have satisfied the condition completely

1 D6.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
"If it hits..." means that 1 or 1000 hits, you have satisfied the condition completely

1 D6.

This I think is the correct answer per RAW.

Again, 'No Escape' (which after searching is the only part of the rulebook which describes this situation, so I've no idea where locarno24 got their quote from) states:

"If a Template weapon hits a building’s Fire Point or an Open-topped vehicle and there is a unit embarked inside that building or vehicle, then in addition to any other effects that unit suffers D6 hits, resolved at the Strength and AP of the weapon. These hits are Randomly Allocated."

Nothing about D6 hits suffered per shot, merely if the weapon hits the unit suffers a flat D6 hits.

 Mr. Shine wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
"If it hits..." means that 1 or 1000 hits, you have satisfied the condition completely

1 D6.

This I think is the correct answer per RAW.

Again, 'No Escape' (which after searching is the only part of the rulebook which describes this situation, so I've no idea where locarno24 got their quote from) states:

"If a Template weapon hits a building’s Fire Point or an Open-topped vehicle and there is a unit embarked inside that building or vehicle, then in addition to any other effects that unit suffers D6 hits, resolved at the Strength and AP of the weapon. These hits are Randomly Allocated."

Nothing about D6 hits suffered per shot, merely if the weapon hits the unit suffers a flat D6 hits.

I'm also inclined to say the RaW is read like this. If the weapon Hits, you get result "X". If the weapon Hits 3 times, the rule is still followed: the weapon has hit, therefore you get result "X".

If you fire 2 Hand flamers though, the statement "If a Template weapon hits" is then active twice.
Most rules would say "for each Hit caused by a Template weapon, "X" happens". Then i'd agree with multiple Hits = multiple D6

Its similar to the old Waaagh banner, where you got + 1 WS if the unit contained one - if you had 2, you still only got +1 WS as you ad satisfied the condition.

If you fire two hand flamers, whether one or 2 models doing so, then you indeed have the result of 2D6 hits.