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I am working on a competitive SW/WS list for games that do not allow FW or SH (I usually run pure SW with FW and IK support).
I have a basic starting point of 1250pts:


I am looking to play games from 1650 to 1850. What do you think would be a solid next step. I am considering two units of GH with 2 specials each, clocking in at 195-205 per unit including pod, add an empty FA pod for maximum alpha strike. With some point adjustments this will fit into 1650. At 1850 I have the option of adding another bike unit or Land Speeders.

Or am I better served going full on fast ground bonanza with more bikes, TWC, Storm Talons and Speeders?

Cheers for any input

I played White Scars and am just a few unbuilt/undelivered units away from having 1500pt Space Wolf army (with my first game yesterday) so i'm thinking properly hard haha.

I would say that you made the right decision to take TWC over a Command Squad, while a squad full of Grav is awesome, like you say, TWC have two wounds each and can take Storm Shields to get an invun. If the WS CS jinked, it's also a 3+ save, but of course that can be negated and ends up severely cutting into your firepower.

I would say you are covered for all the Thunderwolves you could possibly need. While you are keeping them light on the wargear, and are therefore relying more on the Rending that each of them have, i'm not sure if just taking more and throwing more attacks around is a good idea, especially if you face a hard counter to them and you don't have many Storm Shields to go around to protect them from anything getting past their armour (especially S10 blasts).





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I would definitely recommend two squads of GH with special weapons in Drop Pods, that's exactly what I used in my list yesterday (except I added CCW's on top of that). I don't like the idea of Plasma, I don't want to roll badly and kill off my own men just for the sake of two AP2 shots. That would leave Flamers and Melta Guns, and looking at your list you could probably do with more anti-tank. Of course the mix of weapons is up to you, in my list I ran one unit with two melta's, and one unit with two flamers. Each unit does one thing, whether that's roasting troops or busting tanks, much more effectively, but that relies on there being a good place to deep strike that Drop Pod to take advantage of this.

Hm, I was also thinking about GH. Immediate pressure and more boots is always good.
I was thinking Plasma because if the new Eldar. S7 AP2 is usually enough to make skimmers jink and it either eats or forces jink on Jetbikes. Together with scouting bikes that will be a vicious alpha strike followed up by TWC.

Do it! Pods are a blast and offer tons of board control and decent firepower Turn 1. Definitely bring some TWC and Storm Talons for some heavy firepower and MC hunting, but Pod armies can do very well, especially with special weapons

A 1650 list would look like this then:


Wonder how to get up to 1850. Dropping that one Melta Bomb, I would have 205pts left. I could upgrade everything to Plasma and get more Dogs. Regardless whether I do it, I have several options. Another Bike Squad and adding Deathwind to GH pods would be the option with the greatest alpha strike, which is what the list is all about.

Thoughts?

in 205 points get a Stormraven, due to you needing some serious anti-flyer capabilities

Don't bring any flyers. Just ignore enemy flyers. It works well. Drop pods are best for SW, and okay for other marine chapters. The real risks are counter assaults and failure to inflict enough damage with your alpha strike. SW are largely immune to counter assault, though.

Legion of the damned work well against eldar also. Min squads of 5 with a melta, multi melta and a combi grav/melta are very useful.

The issue I see with LotD is that since they ignore.cocer, Jetbikes won't jink and still fire. Part if the execise is to get them to jink. As for tank killing, possibly. But T2 is a bit late and most.tanks have.access to 5++ anyway, which is a bit of a pain.

 Trade_Prince wrote:
Hm, I was also thinking about GH. Immediate pressure and more boots is always good.
I was thinking Plasma because if the new Eldar. S7 AP2 is usually enough to make skimmers jink and it either eats or forces jink on Jetbikes. Together with scouting bikes that will be a vicious alpha strike followed up by TWC.

I guess so. Kind of sad that people have to consider when building their own list that there might be 1 guy that has no friends, doesn't understand the true spirit of 40K, and maxes out on op Eldar units. You do make a great point about shooting at skimmers though, when I next get a pack of Grey Hunters, i'm now thinking of converting two into Rune Priests, making one with a Wolf Standard, and two with Plasma Guns, so I can easily swap them in and out depending on what I want for my list.

Consider dread drop pods instead of GH.

Can do axe and shield venerable dreads to utilize the hammer and anvil tactic well.

jSewell wrote:
Consider dread drop pods instead of GH.

Can do axe and shield venerable dreads to utilize the hammer and anvil tactic well.

The tactic is alpha strike and melee Dreads do not contribute to it.

The most recent incarnation, which I will be using against Eldar this coming Tuesday, is this one:


Fairly straight forward. Hit 'em where it hurts and hope for the best

I went for Meltas, because I have plenty of Grav to treaten infantry and against non-Eldar lists I might need that anti-vehicle firepower. I might drop 1 TWC in order to get the Plasmas in. Testing will show.

Then don't use melee dreads

Is the 3rd drop pod there as a decoy, just to ensure your other two GH pods go on turn 1?