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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 00:16:17
Subject: Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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Ok, so, as I'm reading Gate of infinity, it seems to me as if one of two interpretations would be the case. Either,
A. Gate of Infinity is executed as if the unit was deep striking, including all associated special rules that effect or interact with deep striking(Locator beacon, Herald of victory, grenade packs, etc.)
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B. Gate of Infinity is only utilizing the rules for deep strike to determine the position that the models land, but the unit is not counted as having deep striked into that location(which would result in being able to move and assault as usual in the following phases.)
Now, I've read historical threads on this very topic, and it seems as if the consensus has been that "A" above is the case, but I'd like to see how strong that consensus is with the new edition, as it opens up the door to an interesting deathstar idea I'm kicking around. Based on the wording, I don't really think there is much room for a 3rd interpretation, but I added "other" to the poll in case I missed something. Thoughts?
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There is NO SUCH THING as MORE ADVANCED in 40k!!! There are ONLY 2 LEVELS of RULES: Basic and Advanced. THE END. Stop saying "More Advanced". That is not a recognized thing in modern 40k!!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 00:22:44
Subject: Re:Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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Implacable Black Templar Initiate
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One other interpretation is that you place the model using DS rule and count as having arrived via Deep strike (can't move, can't assault), but you don't arrive from reserves (including deep strike reserves) so interceptor and other rules using the word reserves doesn't work against you.
EDIT: I'm not saying that's what's happening, btw, just something I've seen people say.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 01:11:49
Subject: Re:Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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Right, I would agree that you don't count as having arrived from reserves, but I'm primarily concerned with the other side of it. I need to know whether more people think you can assault after gating, or that special rules effect gating as if you're deep striking. I'm absolutely fine with either way, but which way it gets ruled will determine army list composition. Basically, what gets put into the gating unit will change to either be assault based, or use the non-scatter rules for precision shooting/witchfire drops.
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There is NO SUCH THING as MORE ADVANCED in 40k!!! There are ONLY 2 LEVELS of RULES: Basic and Advanced. THE END. Stop saying "More Advanced". That is not a recognized thing in modern 40k!!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 01:55:06
Subject: Re:Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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A. If you place the model using the Deep Strike rules, then anything that benefits units arriving by Deep Strike (locator beacons, f'rex) also benefits the Gating unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 02:20:21
Subject: Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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Dakka Veteran
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Thanks for weighing in Jimsolo. That's the direction I personally tend to lean, but I'm hoping we get more discussion/votes in the topic.
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There is NO SUCH THING as MORE ADVANCED in 40k!!! There are ONLY 2 LEVELS of RULES: Basic and Advanced. THE END. Stop saying "More Advanced". That is not a recognized thing in modern 40k!!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 08:30:21
Subject: Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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A, not having arrived from DS Reserves of course.
You may not move anything, as you have still arrived by deepstrike, and thus the prohibition on assaulting also kicks in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 11:42:54
Subject: Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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Confessor Of Sins
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nosferatu1001 wrote:A, not having arrived from DS Reserves of course.
You may not move anything, as you have still arrived by deepstrike, and thus the prohibition on assaulting also kicks in.
I agree with this: You follow all the rules found after "Arriving by Deep Strike" in the Deep Strike Rules.
Following what is found before that paragraph heading is debated though.
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Roronoa Zoro wrote:When the world shoves you around, you just gotta stand up and shove back. It's not like somebody's gonna save you if you start babbling excuses. - Bring on the hardship. It's preferred in a path of carnage. Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 13:12:18
Subject: Re:Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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Dakka Veteran
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Ok. So, so far, the overwhelming majority have voted that "A" above is the correct interpretation. So that would mean that if you're using things like locator beacons, webway portals, or herald of victory, you don't scatter when you use Gate of Infinity. That'd also mean that a model like Baharroth, who blinds enemy units every time he deep strikes, and throws a grenade pack as well, would be able to do so every round that he was Gated, right?
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There is NO SUCH THING as MORE ADVANCED in 40k!!! There are ONLY 2 LEVELS of RULES: Basic and Advanced. THE END. Stop saying "More Advanced". That is not a recognized thing in modern 40k!!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 13:18:29
Subject: Re:Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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Confessor Of Sins
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BetrayTheWorld wrote:Ok. So, so far, the overwhelming majority have voted that "A" above is the correct interpretation. So that would mean that if you're using things like locator beacons, webway portals, or herald of victory, you don't scatter when you use Gate of Infinity. That'd also mean that a model like Baharroth, who blinds enemy units every time he deep strikes, and throws a grenade pack as well, would be able to do so every round that he was Gated, right? It would depend on how his rule is written: - When Baharroth arrives from Deep Strike Reserves..... (no) - When Baharroth arrives by Deep Strike..... (yes) - When Deep Striking, Baharroth..... (possibly) - When Baharroth is placed on the board by Deep Strike..... (yes) etc.
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Roronoa Zoro wrote:When the world shoves you around, you just gotta stand up and shove back. It's not like somebody's gonna save you if you start babbling excuses. - Bring on the hardship. It's preferred in a path of carnage. Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 15:10:05
Subject: Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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It's "A", with caveat that Deep Strike does equal Deep Strike Reserves (per the USR), but Deep Strike Reserve does not equal Reserves (as there is no such rule). As such, Gate of Infinity does equal arriving by Deep Strike, aka arrive from Deep Strike Reserve. GoI does not equal arriving from Reserve, as the unit did not start in Reserves (although might go into On-Going Reserves).
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“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 18:53:54
Subject: Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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jeffersonian000 wrote:It's "A", with caveat that Deep Strike does equal Deep Strike Reserves (per the USR), but Deep Strike Reserve does not equal Reserves (as there is no such rule). As such, Gate of Infinity does equal arriving by Deep Strike, aka arrive from Deep Strike Reserve. GoI does not equal arriving from Reserve, as the unit did not start in Reserves (although might go into On-Going Reserves).
SJ
I second this as well.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 19:41:25
Subject: Re:Gate of Infinity and Assault, OR Gate of infinity and Special rules, which is it?
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Dakka Veteran
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Yeah, it seems like the consensus is that it would work as in example "A" above. Thanks for the input guys. My idea on a new tactic to use this can be found here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/646810.page
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