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.From the announcement :

-Ships with a 360-degree firing arc printed on their Ship Token may only fire their Primary weapon up to Range 2 when firing from that arc, unless granted the ability to fire at Range 3 from a specific upgrade card.
-When performing a Spin Maneuver, the player places the selected template in the ship’s base as if doing a Straight maneuver. After finishing their movement, the player places a [1 Straight] Maneuver Template touching the side of the ship’s base with the front edge of the ship base. Then they rotate the ship 90 degrees (either right or left depending on the selected maneuver) so that the top edge of the [1 Straight] maneuver template is even with the side of the ship’s base.
-Fighter Squadrons are now classified as Squadrons, a new type of unit. They may not have Admirals or Resources deployed to them and may not be affected by any card text that references a ship unless 1.) The ability is triggered by a Squadron upgrade, 2.) it specifies that it targets a Squadron, or 3.) it is triggered as part of an attack targeting the Squadron. Additionally, the upgrades on a Squadron may still be affected as if they were on a normal ship. Each Squadron must be accompanied by one 4+ Hull point ship to be included in a Fleet.
Note: This means cards that specifically target ships will no longer benefit Squadrons (ex. Donatra, whose text specifies “all other friendly ships”). Ships that also specifically require another ship be within range (ex. Prakesh, whose text specifies “if you are in range 1 of a friendly ship”) will not benefit from Squadrons, as they are no longer considered ships.
Additionally, we have made some minor changes to some previous rulings to simplify them.
-When a card states it may be played at any time or does not list when it may be used it may only be used between the phases of each round.
-Attacks with Mines may no longer be modified. Mine attacks are a special type of attack and they may not be modified even when dropped directly on an opponent.
-When a card does not have a defined card value it may not be affected or used with cards that require it to have a SP value.
Finally, we have also revised the FAQ to be more player-friendly and easier to search. You may find it and other information at: Star Trek: Attack Wing FAQ PDF.
We hope these changes continue to help grow the Star Trek: Attack Wing community and allow a wider selection of ships and factions to be played in competitive and non-competitive environments.


Discuss!

Also, would folk like the Q card images posted here?


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Faq link
http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2015/04/30/star-trek-attack-wing-announement/

I understand what they are trying to do to fix the Borg 360 degree arcs. But thematically one of the most technologically advanced factions can only attack at range 2 with most of their ships? That just doesn't seem right to me. I'd rather they make those ships cost more for that ability.

It's that not reprinting policy... Honest.

Interesting things with what do and don't affect fighters now. A clumsy fix, albeit a fix of sorts.

csimian wrote:
I understand what they are trying to do to fix the Borg 360 degree arcs. But thematically one of the most technologically advanced factions can only attack at range 2 with most of their ships? That just doesn't seem right to me. I'd rather they make those ships cost more for that ability.

I think it fits thematically. The borg do not attack unless they perceive you as a threat or you have something they want. Limiting their primaries to1-2 fits that and gives them a reason to take secondaries.

I like the fighter ruling. I don't think they ever intended Admiral Worf to be a go to fighter accessory. Kudos to WK for curbing the two biggest detriments to the game.

My initial reaction for the Borg? It still won't be enough. Spinning after you move will mean you will, gasp, have to plan out your move from turn to turn, but with the 360 fire arc, eh. Limited to range 1-2? Still, eh. It's a big improvement to be sure, and these are the changes people have been talking about since the Borg came out. We'll see if it helps or not. Maybe getting a free round of shooting at range 3 vs. Borg could make all the difference in the world.

I suddenly want to play test some asymmetric movement games against the Borg. Basically, start off moving perpendicularly to the Borg's straight/90 degree dial. Hmmm.... basically, they have to make 90 degree turns, while other ships perform arcing moves, and with the spin after they move... yes, there is some potential there for some maneuvers instead of flying straight at them and hope for the best.

The fighter stuff? Looks like they are just consolidating all the FAQ's and questions about the fighters. I really wish Wizkids would just reprint the Fighter Rules card. Or make it available at their website.

This will shake up the meta, that's for sure! I just hope it's not too little, too late.

I have read that change to the borg spin move 10 times and I am still confused. Do you have to move straight now and then turn? I need a visual aid.

 crazyK wrote:
I have read that change to the borg spin move 10 times and I am still confused. Do you have to move straight now and then turn? I need a visual aid.

Spin is now after the move instead of before it.

So, wait, the mines change, does that make Damar less useful now?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
So, wait, the mines change, does that make Damar less useful now?

He still works, it just means people can't use Spock or Donatra to buff mines.

But it says they can no longer be modified, which would include reducing dice. :/

Damar's text will override that.

I don't have the card on me to check, what exactly does damar say again? Does he actually reference mines on his card?

All attacks made with secondary weapons against his ship are -1 attack die.

All attacks made with minefield templates are -2 attack dice.

Unless they FAQed it he eats cloaked mines because if he scans they are -3 and antimatter mines are both minefields and secondaries so they are -3. I didn't see it at first glace but I think he was FAQed to -2 only on antimatter mines but don't quote me on it.

The reduction to range two, permanently, for borg, is welcome, the alteration to the movement means they now need to be thinking about a turn ahead to plot movement...


And here's what's really a welcome factor there, the movement is doubly penalizing when you factor in the new reduced shooting range of borg vessels. Move THEN turn, instead of Turn THEN move, really changes up the game imo. It becomes much easier to maneuver out of the ship's firing range.

The two work nicely together to make an overall handicap that should have serious impact.

I really like these changes.

Yeah, I'm generally positive. Even as a non op player, I can only see this having a positive impact.

This is a great week for STAW, Timeship, Hood, Q Cards, weird evasive maneuver thing, half a Pegasus preview, and now a back hand followed by an offivial kick to the Jimmy on both Borg and fighters. Can it get any better

Oh now you've gone and done it...

Haha, kick to the jimmy, lol.

Yeah, it could get better, re-release all borg ships +10 points.

I don't think the fighter thing is really all that much of a nerf, and I guess it makes some semblance of sense to not let them be affected by things that target ships. As was probably seen in my pictures in the show off your stuff thread I own a ton of fighters, and this change doesn't bother me at all.

Not really happy with the double Borg change on the other hand. While I think the Primary Weapon being limited to 2 is a great change and was what they needed to do, it should have been the only change at the moment, and they should have seen what effect that had on the metagame. If after a month or three (say, post GenCon) Borg were still dominant then yeah, throw on the maneuver change. I am just not a fan of multiple wide sweeping changes at once, that I doubt had any actual testing. It just feels very GW of them.

I'm most happy about making certain cards only use there affect between phases.

Wait, do fighters no longer trigger mine templates?

My group meets up on thursday nights so we tested the new rules last night.

I had a Sphere with re-roll drone, 2nd of Five
Scout with magneto charges and transwarp signal

Faced the Pagh and a dodgy Voyager

The new spin move forced me to actually *gasp* think about my movement! The reduced range allowed the enemy to fire first.
I still won.
All the whiners (and I call them that bevause they applied that label to those of us who said the Borg needed toning down) are wrong when they say the Borg are no longer competetive. They'll still win if played correctly, which just goes to show how OTT they were before!

I still view them as entirely competitve, they have serious firepower, regen, unique movement and lots of funky addons. What they won't be any longer is an autowin button to spam whilst other people learn the game, play well and still lose to them.


Borg will finally have to sing for their supper.

Nobody else has said it so I will... "Shaka when the walls fell"


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 emperorpenguin wrote:
My group meets up on thursday nights so we tested the new rules last night.

I had a Sphere with re-roll drone, 2nd of Five
Scout with magneto charges and transwarp signal

Faced the Pagh and a dodgy Voyager

The new spin move forced me to actually *gasp* think about my movement! The reduced range allowed the enemy to fire first.
I still won.
All the whiners (and I call them that bevause they applied that label to those of us who said the Borg needed toning down) are wrong when they say the Borg are no longer competetive. They'll still win if played correctly, which just goes to show how OTT they were before!

This is a good point. The Borg are not suddenly thrust to bottom tear. They still have great movement and are built like tanks. As emperorpenguin points out the new ruling only points out how OP they were to begin with. One nice thing is players will have to think a little more aboit borg builds. You can't just slap Picard on a sphere and go at it. There is now Gul Madred lurking about, plus now they have to think about secondary weapons if they want to fire at range 3. Picard is 7 points cross faction, 6 with Officer exchange, at best that only leave 6 points to play around with. Mpre thought into builds instead of an auto win button is a great thing. I watched a guy at Nationals flying a Picard Sphere, Dukat Diamond, and Hidekies get torn apart in the Nebula scenario by a simple ship Pure Voyager, Ent-E, Klingon BoP list. Why did he loose, because his whole strategy revolved around running the Borg straight at the enemy guns blazing, but that doesn't work with range 1-2 primaries.

 emperorpenguin wrote:
My group meets up on thursday nights so we tested the new rules last night.

I had a Sphere with re-roll drone, 2nd of Five
Scout with magneto charges and transwarp signal

Faced the Pagh and a dodgy Voyager

The new spin move forced me to actually *gasp* think about my movement! The reduced range allowed the enemy to fire first.
I still won.
All the whiners (and I call them that bevause they applied that label to those of us who said the Borg needed toning down) are wrong when they say the Borg are no longer competetive. They'll still win if played correctly, which just goes to show how OTT they were before!

yup...

both these changers are verbatum what I asked for a long time ago on other forums, glad they happened..

i had playtested both changes long ago and found I could still routinely kick butt with borg.

it was just much less auto win.

borg are still very strong, and the 2 ship min and 50 pt cap hinder lots of super fed builds too.




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Very happy that these are now official changes... literally my personal house rules just became official, its awesome for me!

Well, I have one, possibly two OP's to attend next weekend. I can't wait to take on all the Borg players now.

Good luck Tam, It should prove interesting to see the outcome given how many players have been becoming hardcore trying to beat borg with regular ships and how many borg players use the 'spam button to win' method. I'm hoping the borg just fade into obscurity tbh.

 Tamwulf wrote:
Well, I have one, possibly two OP's to attend next weekend. I can't wait to take on all the Borg players now.

Good luch Tamwulf Just remember when you are shooting the Borg at range 3 and they can't shoot back to
say "ASSIMILATE THIS!"

this is what happened at my last OP


we had people *show up* was 8 people, more then nationals lol

no one brought borg, was all klingon, rom, dominion


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great time was had by all!

I love it. This is great. I'm hoping this will expand how many people show up to OP's. There are at least 10 people buying stuff but only 6 show up.


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@ inmygravenimage

A link to those Q cards would be rockin' but posting them would be awesome as well