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I have heard one TO say that Codex Eldar: Craftworlds is a different title, and thus different book, than Codex: Eldar, which means that adored: Eldar is still current, and is the Eldar codex they will be allowing in tourneys.

Which is interesting. Is that reasonable, do you think?

In addition, Iyanden is a supplement for Codex: Eldar. If you don't agree with the above reasoning, is Iyanden off the table now, because there is no Codex: Eldar for it to supplement?

This isn't any different from the "Astra Militarum" codex

 CrownAxe wrote:
This isn't any different from the "Astra Militarum" codex

That is my understanding as well. "Eldar" shares the generic not protection worthy properties with oder recently renamed factions.

I'd be curious if the TO in question would then apply the nerfs but withhold the buffs of the new book.

HAHAHA, this is the most slowed thing I have ever heard.


I want to jokingly pull this at the next GT I go to that still uses the term "Eldar"


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Lol, dakka editing.

There's a forum goer who emailed games workshop about the new Eldar book. Their response was simple. The craftworld book replaces the old 6th edition eldar codex. The iyanden supplement was designed to work with the old Eldar book and therefore is no longer valid. They did say that if you wanted to use the iyanden book and we're able to adapt it in a way your gaming group is happy with then feel free to use it..

If the old book wasn't replaced, and both the Eldar and Iyanden books were still legal choices, then surely GW would still sell them on their website?

Iyanden is dead now. Would he allow you to play with an old Imperial Guard codex as well? I would never attend an even where a TO tried to pull some crap like that.

The Wraith Host is basically Iyanden and you don't even need to get the Guardian Host core formations. No need to stick the to supplement

Or, you know, that big dataslate Formation

I think the attempt was to find a way to conduct tournaments while 'dealing' with the perceived broken-ness of the new book. It seems like many people are wanting that anyway, and since no Eldar player was complaining about the 6th Ed codex, it sure seems easier than trying to rewrite the 7th ed one, and more fair than telling your players no one can bring Eldar to a tournament.

With the lack of support provided by GW it has now long been the case that tournaments make their own modifications and alterations to the rules.

If a TO feels that the new Eldar codex is too out of balance, and doesn't feel that they can make balanced alterations to the poop that GW provided them, then I'm all for them enforcing that eldar players must the old codex.

Considering that no new models were added in the new dex, and that the old codex was already top of the table, I don't see why people would be upset.

It would sort out the people who want to play eldar, from the people who want to waac.

I'd be all for playing with the old codex if my group or a TO wanted it, as it was/is still competitive and fun. But claiming that the old codex is still legal is simply incorrect.

Personally, I'd prefer to use the old one than be told I can't play them at all.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Personally, I'd prefer to use the old one than be told I can't play them at all.

I think I would rather find a new gaming group if mine were so close minded.

Yeah, there's definitely a difference between asking you to play the old codex for the sake of better games or personal preference, and telling you that you are not allowed to use your current, legal dex.

It was my question in store when I bought it.. yes Iyanden is out... but I feel for them at GW because Iyanden is tricky now because wraith got buffed and if you can heal wraithknights have wraithguard troops and have fleet and battle focus etc.. it is probably the spam list of hell for tourneys

Show said TO what's being sold in GW's store. What isn't there, isn't valid anymore. I believe the old codex isn't there.
So how can BOTH books be used at the same time?

Look guys, this isn't supposed to be an outrage thread. The TO in question is a smart guy, just trying to find a way to make everything work for everybody. There's no reason for hostility.

I've got the answers I wanted, thanks to the people who provided information.

Just to throw my 2 cents in and reduce the percentage of hostile posts.

Most Tournaments limit the new Codexs for a few months after they come out, usually to give people a way to factor in the next units and buffs and either find ways to maximize them or if your not the new codex, to find ways to counter them.

If this TO wants to say no new Eldar codex then he is well within his rights to do so. If an eldar player doesn't like that then he doesn't have to attend that specific tournament and he can wait for the next one which will probably allow the new codexs.

Sorry, wasn't trying to be hostile. I just think that the "head in the sand" approach is a really bad idea. It becomes very hard for newer eldar players if you are requiring them to use a codex that is out of print.

Fortunately not an issue in our group at the moment. I highly doubt he would exclude a player who ONLYAND had that codex; I think this is a temporary solution that fits the circumstances of the group as they are.

I was just curious if the line of reasoning was one other people shared.