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Hey Guys, Wanted to know what you think of this Competitive Eldar list. Comments and criticisms appreciated.

Windrider Host:
Farseer, Bike, Spirit Stone 130
Warlock, Bike, Spear 55
3 Bikes, 3 Scatter Lasers 81
3 Bikes, 3 Scatter Lasers 81
3 Bikes, 3 Scatter Lasers 81
Vyper, Starcannon, Shuriken Cannon 55

Wraith-Constructs:
Wraithknight, 2 Heavy D-Cannons, Scatter Laser 310

Wraith-Constructs:
Wraithknight, 2 Heavy D-Cannons, Scatter Laser 310

Wraith-Constructs:
Wraith Knight, Ghostglaive and Scattershield, 2 Scatter Lasers 325

Crimson Death:
3 Crimson Hunters 420

Total: 1848

Pretty standard. You will have the same basic list as every other Eldar player.

Didn't think they ran the Crimson hunter formation, or alternated between wraith Knights, any potential alterations, points shaved somewhere and moved somewhere else?

Farseers points or gear are wrong. Vyper cant take a sun cannon..

After seeing this list, I went ahead and reread the new Eldar formations again. Wow. Just wow. But Eldar players shouldn't be punished because of GW. This list looks pretty nasty.

On the vyper I assumed he meant the star cannon. I would dump one crimson hunter and one wraithknight. Add more bikes and an aspect host or whatever it's called.

Personally, I wouldn't take the shard on the farseer. I'd take the spirit stone of Anath'lan instead.

I think the Windrider host is sub optimal, only because you won't be making much to any use of the one round of shred. If you're OK with not gaining this bonus and you're only using it to open up slots for wraithknights then this list is fine, and the only change I'd make is the one I suggested.

The list looks fairly solid, just remember wraithknights are still just as vulnerable to shooting as they were before, so can still be downed as easily by tau gunlines, grav spam, psychic shriek and others.

What tournies are looking at taking this to?

I meant the spirit stone on the far seer, not shard, my bad! And yeah, I meant star cannon on the hyper not suncannon, that would be pretty op for 5 points. They're not quite as vulnerable due to feel no pain and they will still be pretty survivable to grav when they're in cover, 4+/5+ is pretty solid.
And the windrider host is only there to allow me access to X amount of wraith knights, so it's a tax really, not a bad one, but still a tax. Also, I couldn't drop a crimson hunter due to requiring 3 for the formation.

The Crimson Death formation costs 440 points, not 420, you have to take an exarch (but the exarch is awsome against non-flying so it's not that bad).

I also think you are better of running spear on farseer and putting warlock in reserves.

Of course! Forgot about the Exarch, I can drop the Scatter Laser on the wraithknight with 2, and the spear from the Farseer and that gives me the points to pay for the Exarch

At the end of the day I think you'll need more bodies.

Yeah, i think hes right. You have 950 points tied up into 4 D shots and a melee D. One or two wraith knights tops i think.. people think that the knight is OP as all hell, and it may be, but taking 3 of them hurts you more than its op'ness helps you.

You need an Exarch in the CH formation so have to find 20 points. The stone would be my advice and then find 5 elsewhere, probably the spear. I personally wouldn't bother with the sword Knight I would keep to all cannons on them.

However it looks very solid. You may be light on bodies so I wonder if taking the Flyers means you might be better off with 2 Knights and get more jetbikes? Perhaps a Wraithfighter to cover for the loss in D and then 150 points of more bikes?

How does this look?

Windrider Host:
Farseer, Bike, Spirit Stone, Spear 135
Warlock, Bike, Spear 55
7 Bikes, 7 Scatter Lasers 189
6 Bikes, 6 Scatter Lasers 162
6 Bikes, 6 Scatter Lasers 162
Vyper, Starcannon, Shuriken Cannon 55

Wraith-Constructs:
Wraithknight, 2 Heavy D-Cannons, 2 Scatter Laser 325

Wraith-Constructs:
Wraithknight, 2 Heavy D-Cannons, 2 Scatter Lasers 325


Crimson Death:
3 Crimson Hunters + Exarch 440

Looks solid but due to formation benefit it might be best to swap lasers for cannons on the bikes.

Drop the star canon on the vyper.. 2x shuriken canon works fine... what you do with the 5 points is rather moot tho.. just asded it cos you were shaving points

 FlingitNow wrote:
Looks solid but due to formation benefit it might be best to swap lasers for cannons on the bikes.

I disagree. I think it would be a good idea to run one unit with cannons, but not all 3. As an example. 10 cannon bikes with 30 guide and shread shots will do 5.4 wounds on a WK if he doesn't have cover save, or 8 wounds on an AV13. So they can be pretty nasty.

However, Scatter laser still has 4 shots and 36" so they are a lot easier to kite with. Making them better in every turn where you don't have shred.

Yep the Vyper should be run stock in my opinion, no need to dump points into a trash unit. Even if their cheap upgrades.

Looks good in my opinion otherwise though.

If I were to shave 15 points off the vyper where could I put the points? A bare bones bike? A scatter Laser for a knight?

 Deraiderspam wrote:
How does this look?

Windrider Host:
Farseer, Bike, Spirit Stone, Spear 135
Warlock, Bike, Spear 55
7 Bikes, 7 Scatter Lasers 189
6 Bikes, 6 Scatter Lasers 162
6 Bikes, 6 Scatter Lasers 162
Vyper, Starcannon, Shuriken Cannon 55

Wraith-Constructs:
Wraithknight, 2 Heavy D-Cannons, 2 Scatter Laser 325

Wraith-Constructs:
Wraithknight, 2 Heavy D-Cannons, 2 Scatter Lasers 325


Crimson Death:
3 Crimson Hunters + Exarch 440

I would drop the whole Eldar formation, your not really gaining anything from it. You don't have anything that runs, and only 3 people who can use the Shred. With a double CAD, you can rearrange the bikes number and get Objective Secured, much better to have on a scatter bike. Plus you get more room if you want to even drop the Vyper to fit in Autarchs for reserve manipulation. .

Djbillson wrote:

 Deraiderspam wrote:
How does this look?

Windrider Host:
Farseer, Bike, Spirit Stone, Spear 135
Warlock, Bike, Spear 55
7 Bikes, 7 Scatter Lasers 189
6 Bikes, 6 Scatter Lasers 162
6 Bikes, 6 Scatter Lasers 162
Vyper, Starcannon, Shuriken Cannon 55

Wraith-Constructs:
Wraithknight, 2 Heavy D-Cannons, 2 Scatter Laser 325

Wraith-Constructs:
Wraithknight, 2 Heavy D-Cannons, 2 Scatter Lasers 325


Crimson Death:
3 Crimson Hunters + Exarch 440

I would drop the whole Eldar formation, your not really gaining anything from it. You don't have anything that runs, and only 3 people who can use the Shred. With a double CAD, you can rearrange the bikes number and get Objective Secured, much better to have on a scatter bike. Plus you get more room if you want to even drop the Vyper to fit in Autarchs for reserve manipulation. .

Considering the way you're running the vyper and the warlock, this is an excellent idea. You can keep your dual Knights, and your formation that way too. And there's no need for cannons instead of lasers as you're not gaining shred.

Agreed that is a brilliant idea. Keep 1 unit of 6 for the Characters to join and split the others (adding 2 from dropping the Viper) into 5 units of 3. Loads of target saturation and ObSec. The other option is drop one unit to upgrade the Warlock to an Autarch to help the CHs arrive when you need them to.

That is a very good point! Can't believe I didn't see that! I'll post up and updated list with those changes when I'm home!


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Right, this is my new attempt at the list. What do you think?


CAD 1:

HQ:
Skyrunner Autarch, Reaper Missile Launcher 110 (Warlord)

Troops:
6 Jetbikes, 6 Scatter Lasers 162

3 Jetbikes, 3 Scatter Lasers 81

Fast Attack:
2 Hornets, 4 Pulse Lasers 160

Lord of War:
Wriathknight, Heavy D-Cannons, Scatter Laser 310


CAD 2:

HQ:
Farseer Skyrunner, Spirit Stone 130

Troops:
3 Jetbikes, 3 Scatter Lasers 81

3 Jetbikes, 3 Scatter Lasers 81

Lord of War:
Wraithknight, Heavy D-Cannons, Scatter Laser 310


Crimson Death:

3 Crimson Hunters, 1 Exarch 440

Total: 1865

I'm 15 points over, what shall I strip to make it 1850?

Drop two Scatter Lasers off the 6 man Scatterbike squad, use them up front to soak the first two wounds. I hate to say drop a Scatter off a WK as it reduces your ability to target one or two units with D and charge a 3rd.

I agree with Zagman.

Yeah, that's what I thought the WK Scatter Lasers are very Important, so drop 2 Scatters and add a Singing Spear? Is my load out for the Autarch ok? Thought there is no point giving him laser lance and fusion gun as he won't be running up the field

It's OK, but I'd rather lose the reaper missile launcher than the two scatter lasers. Though I don't remember the pints cost off the top of my head.

Id prefer a Farseer to Autarch, but hes fine.

Reaper Missile Launcher is 25, could drop that and have 10 points for a fusion fun instead maybe? The Autarch is mainly for the reserves manipulation, but I can see the benefits to a second farseer