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Enginseer with a Wrench




Fort Worth, Tx

So this Saturday I am playing in a 2000 point tournament. 1 LOW max and 30k, FW and that like are all good to go. So I'm wanting to be fluffy and deadly at the same time. I play the Yme-Loc craftworld so I like my armor in the form of 4 grav tanks. Here is what I'm thinking:

Farseer - spear 105
Spiritseer 70
5 cannon wraithguard 160
->serpent w/TL EML, cannon and holo fields 150
10 avengers - exarch shield/pw 160
10 guardians w/starcannon 110
3x Falcons starcannon, shuriken cannon, holo fields 465
Aspect Host:
5 warp spiders - exarch 105
6 fire dragons - exarch w/pike 157
6 fire dragons - exarch w/pike 157

LOW:
Wraithknight - 2 scatter lasers sword/shield 325

Total: 1964

So I have 36 points left to spend. What do y'all think of the build? I have 1 falcon that doesn't have anything riding in it (I could put a min size unit of dire avengers in there instead to get something else like a unit of 2 war walkers with scatter lasers. Let me know what y'all think guys.

XIX Legion - 3500 points 
   
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Agile Revenant Titan






Austin, Texas.

Serpent should have 0 upgrades, EML not good enough, holofields pretty bad.

Dire avenger exarch upgrades will NEVER be used effectively, so drop em. Falcons are still pretty bad, much much prefer fire prisms or other big point sinks (Wraith guard with serpents being pretty high up their) Or hemlock wraith fighters. Scatter walkers are also better imo.
And if you do decide to keep the falcons, the starcannons are bad, bright lance much better. Shuiken cannon on it will never be effective, as the falcon is better at tracking down armored targets and the cannon doesn't. Holo fields are still bad.
I would not take the fire pike on the dragons, the 10 points isnt worth the 6 inch range. Your either within 12" inches to be effective, or outside where you wont be.

The core Idea of the Army is great,just the details that need some work.

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Made in us
Enginseer with a Wrench




Fort Worth, Tx

I appreciate the feedback boss. I would like to keep the falcons, and I will reassess the star cannons. What do you suggest on the serpent? Shuriken cannons? That's what I was thinking to start off, but a TL skyfire platform that is really durable didn't seem like a bad idea. So you're saying pulse laser, scatter laser and just the catapults on the bottom? I don't think that's worth it. I figure the falcons will hunt light armor and heavy infantry so the starcannon's ap2 will help and the shuriken cannon's bladestorm just raises the damage potential onto 3+/2+ armor units. That's 2 s8ap2, 2s6ap2 and 3s6sp5 bladestorm shots. Might not be perfect, but with 3 tanks it'll kill something lol

What is a useful vehicle upgrade for my tanks? With 4 holo fields lost, that's 60 points! Hello war walker

I do like the idea of my 2 war walkers sporting scatter lasers to shoot a light armor and flyers, but I will say that they did nothing against my buddy's storm raven yesterday lol

I appreciate the help!

XIX Legion - 3500 points 
   
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Enginseer with a Wrench




Fort Worth, Tx

So I really wanted to stick with armor (non-serpent) tanks, but I just don't feel like the falcon stacks up with the serpent now that laser-lock is gone. If we still had laser-lock I would be rolling all falcons, but without it think they just kind of fall flat unfortunately. I am going to change all to serpents in this list. Let me know what you think:
CAD:
Farseer - spear
Spiritseer
5 cannon WG
-> serpent w/TL-BL, cannon
10 avengers - exarch pw/shield
10 guardians
-> serpent w/TL-BL, cannon

Aspect Host:
5 spiders - exarch
6 dragons - exarch w/pike
-> serpent w/TL-BL, cannon
6 dragons - exarch w/pike
-> serpent w/TL-BL, cannon

LOW:
Knight - cannons w/2 scatter lasers

Now I didn't run points on this, but I think when I trimmed the points of the falcon down the serpents sans holo fields I think I have some points for either war walkers rolling scatter lasers or 2 vipers rolling scat lasers and cannons. What do y'all think? Synergize a bit better?

My tourney is on Saturday and I would like to have a strong list that isn't over the top and not let me opponents have fun. Thanks!

XIX Legion - 3500 points 
   
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Agile Revenant Titan






Personally, I don't think holo fields are a bad idea. I run them, and have saved me Hull points a few times.

The falcons are semi decent in squads of 3 with their crazy deep strike rule, and with the fire dragons in there that's a nasty turn 2 bomb. But it's also a lot of points in reserve, do for that lots I feel you'd need an Autarch for reserves manipulation.

I personally prefer list two. It helps that the wave serpents also benefit from the BS5 that the aspect host does as they are a unit in the formation. But I feel this list is light on anti infantry and too have on anti tank. I would probably look at dual cannons on at least two of the serpents. If you use the aspect ones that's 6 BS5 S6 bladestorm with 3 twin linked hitting on 2's. You'll normally hit home with most and it adds some much needed infantry shredding. The fragons and wraith units should be more than capable of dropping any armour you encounter.

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Drop the Farseer or the spiritseer - You don't need both. Use the points to take more spiders. Fire pike is also pointless on the Dragon Exarchs. I actually like to run 6 and give the Exarch the heavy flamer for a bit of dual purpose. 5 Meltas is usually plenty anyway, and the heavy flamer helps when you don't have enough vehicles to pop and need to kill some infantry.
   
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Austin, Texas.

Castellan Alaric wrote:
I appreciate the feedback boss. I would like to keep the falcons, and I will reassess the star cannons. What do you suggest on the serpent? Shuriken cannons? That's what I was thinking to start off, but a TL skyfire platform that is really durable didn't seem like a bad idea. So you're saying pulse laser, scatter laser and just the catapults on the bottom? I don't think that's worth it. I figure the falcons will hunt light armor and heavy infantry so the starcannon's ap2 will help and the shuriken cannon's bladestorm just raises the damage potential onto 3+/2+ armor units. That's 2 s8ap2, 2s6ap2 and 3s6sp5 bladestorm shots. Might not be perfect, but with 3 tanks it'll kill something lol

What is a useful vehicle upgrade for my tanks? With 4 holo fields lost, that's 60 points! Hello war walker

I do like the idea of my 2 war walkers sporting scatter lasers to shoot a light armor and flyers, but I will say that they did nothing against my buddy's storm raven yesterday lol

I appreciate the help!


Pulse laser, then a bright lance, so that the falcon gets 3 s8 shots at ap 2. Thats 9 Strength 8 shots at ap2. If you really want to bring on the pain to vehicles of any size, theres your answer. You have enough AP2 in your list to not have to worry about switching out for starcannons. The majority of your list can put some hurt onto teqs. If you have an extra 10 points I guess equip it with the shuiken cannons, but they really wont be a big help. On the serpents yes I recommend just the shuiken cannons. The anti air missiles for eldar (and the other races) are actually quite terrible. One shot has a very low chance of doing anything to a flier to make it worth shooting at.


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