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So now that the new eldar book is out there are some silly things that can be done (like 36 bikes with scatter lasers) and am looking to be able to counter this type of thing while still remaining strong vs the rest of the competitive lists out there.

Daemons CAD

HQ
Fateweaver

LoC
lvl 3
Exalted
Greater

TROOPS
4 Nurglings
3 Nurglings


Black Legion CAD

HQ
Be'Lakor

Tzeentch DP
Wings
Armour
lvl 3
Spell Familiar
Gift of Mutation (had extra points)
Last Memory of Yuranthos

TROOPS
10 Cultists
10 Cultists

FAST ATTACK
Baledrake
Baledrake

I considered taking the Tzeentch DP as Daemons for the second exalted for access to the both Grim and Portal but I feel like the Spell Familiar is too valuable in a list like this. The FMCs cruise around on 2+ Jinks from Shrouding via Be'Lakor, pumping out daemon goodies and vector striking anything they may pass over. The Memory relic is to help vs MSU and add an extra warp charge, Baledrakes are for cooking eldar bikes, Wraithguard, and what I assume will be a small burst in grav cav to counter the wraith lists. I always have Tzeentch powers to try and blast down the knights with if I run out of options. Vs Nids I have to rely on vector strikes to stop those pentyrant lists.

Thoughts? C&C Appreciated

The baledrakes are invaluable now. Against Necrons, and Eldar they fill a very valuable position, and both of those dexes are really light on AA.

The thing with Tzeentch DP's are, they have a very solid cover save. Shrouding from be'lakor+ jink = 2+ rerollable cover saves. But my question is, what can you assault? Is it worth 350ish points for some psychic shooting? The only FMC's that seem worth it to me these days are fateweaver and be'lakor, for their ability to buff ground based daemon stars to invincibilty.

Ya I'm mainly trying to just cap out on reliable durability While making an invulnerable daemonstar myself. On top of the 2+ reroll they also are flying which leaves very little on the ground for lists that can be punished for lack of AA like crons or knights. The sort of plan the list has is to pump out daemons and try to have them fill out the damage where the rest of the list lacks IE AT. At worst I am forced to run the Circus on the ground to charge some stuff but the hope is to try and stay in the air for most of the game and annoy my opponent with summoning shenanigans. I'm half worried that I just wont have enough killing power in this list but with a different daemon deathstar I'm more vulnerable to Eldar shooting nonsense which I am hoping to avoid. Plus I feel that a list like this will play out more consistently since it only needs to rely on shrouding for its durability shenanigans.

As a side note, your avatar is adorable.

Heh, thanks.


Last time I brought Daemons to an RTT I killed maybe 4 units across all 3 games. I did however, win the tournament. You don't need to kill to win objectives, You just need to coral your opponent with a few key squads and capture the objectives while they kill your units you want them to kill.

The problem with this list is that the stuff isnt enough of a threat to corale them, if they are flying dont have a bubble of area denial, and it discourages your opponent to try and kill them, and they end up playing the objectives. If you can make your opponent think dedicating units to killing something is a good idea, the game is playing to your tempo and you are controlling your opponents moves.


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What your list does have however, is very fast summoning platforms. But you really only need 1-2 static ones in your backfield (Horrors) and 1 really mobile one (Fatey).

Very true.
Normally I just run a fiendstar with belly and fatey cruising around slapping buffs onto it But I felt it to be too inconsistent and that inconsistency was costing me some maches that others could have won and with eldar being able to shoot ground targets so well these days I figured that the risk wasn't worth it. Any suggestions on what I may be able to do to improve the circus' threat correlation? Maybe swap the memory prince for a black mace or balesword?

I used to like the balesword prince so it could kill wraithknights. Now that isnt nearly as simple, as you wound on a 6+ now. Unless you smash, which in that case you hit on a 3+, wound on a 2+ and he dies. If you miss, you die.


But I feel as though swapping princes is not the point I was trying to make, I think you need ground presence beyond suymmoning. Maybe a screamerstar would befit you as it similarly benefits from shrouded with a 2+ rerollable.

For what it's worth I'm trying to stay away from screamerstar since it can be unfun for both sides of the game. Plus my buddy just sold off his screamerstar (we share our daemons more than we should almost to the point where we've forgotten who's models are who's). The only problem with the screamerstar is that if I am going to run it then I will be running it without the bothering with the shrouding buff since they can be vulnerable to assault and ignores cover is eveywhere, just very much less so in the air so that leads back to the inconsistency thing with relying on more psychic powers and grimoir etc.

I'll play around with some things and see if I can't fix that ground presence problem, maybe playing assaulty DP's is the correct playstyle to go for this list in some circumstances.