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Hi Dakka !
I tried to make a list without any biker or Centurion, as I don't like the models.
Here is the list:

1996 pts
== HQ ==
Librarian, auspex, melta bomb

== ELITES ==
10 sternguard in a drop pod, 2 meltagun 5 combi melta, locator beacon

1 ironclad in a drop pod, melta, heavy flamer, Ironclad assault launchers, chainfist.

== TROUPS ==
9 marines, plasma rifle, combi plasma, rhino
10 marines, plasma rifle, combi plasma, ML, rhino
10 marines, flamer, combi flamer, ML, drop pod with LMD
5 scouts melta bomb, land speeder storm with heavy flamer
5 scouts, camo cloaks, sniper rifles

== FA ==
1 Land Speeder Typhoon
1 Land Speeder Typhoon
1 Land Speeder Typhoon

== HEAVY ==
predator, autocanon, lascanons, HK missile
thunderfire canon
vindicator, dozer blade


I'm really bad with SM HQ, so I tried to put the less I could.
I didn't want any flyer this time, and I wanted to try the predator again (such a long time he didn't fight !) and the scouts. I think I can do something with theses guys.
I really enjoy the Land Speeders Typhon, they are a pain in the for the opponent.

Let me know what you guys think of this list.
Have a good day !

I might stick the librarian in with the sternguard. Drop a guy to make room. I’d also drop the meltaguns. 5 combis should give good odds of cracking a tank, and once they start footslogging, I doubt they will get in range of another one. Even if they did, shooting just two meltas is going to require some luck to get the job done. Pop a tank if you need to, then spray special ammo into things deserving of it.

What chapter tactics were you considering?

Your list overall is a little light on anti armor for 2k IMHO. I might swap one of the tac squads for full melta, or spring for the TLLC on the pred. You’ve got a reasonable amount of mid S shots, but very limited answers to AV13-14.

The locator beacon seems a waste. I find pods are good on their own, and you don’t need to DS the speeders. If you were using close in speeders, with MMs or HF, sure. But not typhoons.

You have a lot of troops. I might drop the snipers for something a little more killy.

Not a bad list overall, looks like fun!

Hi Nevelon,
In fact, I use to combat squad my sternguard when they come, so they can threaten two tanks (one combat squad with a meltagun and two combi melta, and the other combat squad with one meltagun and three combi melta).
I won't put the librarian with them because if I do, I will no longer be able to combat squad
I play with Ultramarines chapter tactics, as my Chapter is a progeny from the Ultramarines.
As you said, I don't Deep Strike the Speeder, I put the locator beacon for the second drop pod, but I agree, I can spend the points elsewhere.
For my AT problem, what do you think about changing the ironclad by a multimelta dreadnought ? I'm afread by the BS 4 of the dread, but I can pay the venerable uprgade.
I'm going to make some change, maybe drop the sniper scouts as you said.

Thank you for your consideration !

I like my sternguard bare-bones in a large squad to maximize the special ammo, but recognize that some people prefer to suicide melta them. Just my personal bias. For the points you have sunk into the combis plus meltaguns, you could have a MM speeder zipping around taking pot shots at tanks while your vets do their own thing. You do have to respect the combi alpha strike, so I can see your point.

I just really hate 9 man tac squads. If you are looking for a place to stick the librarian, consider a 5 man assault squad with duel flamers in a pod. I’ve not tried a librarian in one, but I’ve put Cassius in there, and it was a lot of fun.

If you are going with Ultramarines, defiantly get a pod full of melta tacs. The ability to TL the squad means that even snapfireing the MM, you are still going to get some solid hits in, and can more reliably kill armor.

If you have the points, keep the ironclad. He’s solid and can rip open anything in CC. Between the precision pod drop and his disembark move, he can probably shoot something with his meltagun almost as well as the MM on a stock dread. If you want to boost his killing power, load him up with a pair of HKs (steal the one from the pred). Step out of the pod, and drop a pair of missiles and the melta into a tank. Hopefully get a nice boom.

The locator beacon is for terminator deep strikes only, I think you'll find.

I think I reached a point where this list can't be improved without changing its very soul.

With your feedback, I made some changes, here is the modified list:

[2000]
== HQ ==
Librarian, auspex, melta bomb

== ELITES ==
5 sternguard in a drop pod, 1 meltagun 3 combi melta.
5 sternguards in a rhino, 1 meltagun, 2 combi meta.
1 ironclad in a drop pod, melta, heavy flamer, Ironclad assault launchers, chainfist, two HKs.

== TROUPS ==
10 marines, plasma rifle, combi plasma, plasma cannon, rhino.
10 marines, plasma rifle, combi plasma, ML, rhino.
10 marines, flamer, combi flamer, ML, drop pod with LMD.
5 scouts melta bomb, land speeder storm with heavy flamer.

== FA ==
1 Land Speeder Typhoon
1 Land Speeder Typhoon
1 Land Speeder Typhoon

== HEAVY ==
predator, autocanon, lascanons, HK missile
thunderfire canon
vindicator, dozer blade


I don't have the models to make a Tactical Squad with melta in a drop pod, but one of my friend do this, and I it's very effective, indeed.
I would have preferred to not put these ML and plasma cannon on the Tactical squads, but, eh, it's glued now
I don't know when I will have my next game, but I'll let you know how behaved the list.

The librarian will ride with the 5 sternguards in the rhino, and I keep a good AT alpha strike with the Ironclad's outfit.

Thank you, you were very quick to answer