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Which formation is better with the release of the new knight codex?

Is the Adamantium Lance in the codex?

No it's not, but I assume it's still a legal formation?

Doubt it. If I had to guess, formations and supplements are outmoded when a new codex comes out. I can't be too sure, but I'm going off of what happened with Iyanden.

Nothing seems to conflict between the Adamantine Lance and the new codex. In other words there should be no reason to disallow the formation.

 krodarklorr wrote:
Doubt it. If I had to guess, formations and supplements are outmoded when a new codex comes out. I can't be too sure, but I'm going off of what happened with Iyanden.

There is no reason to assume that's how old rules get treated. Iyanden isn't viable because it's rules don't function with how the new codex is structured.

AdLance is still completely functional

the ad lance gives a +1 to invul saves when a knight is within 3 inches of another knight d3 HoW attacks and a re-roll to their charge distances. In addition the formation specificly requires errants and Paladins.


the Baronial court is a little more flexable with what it can take, allowing you to take any type of Knight. It gives +1 to the saves out to 6 inches. (thus allowing a loser formation) loses the charge bonuses, makes one of your units a character (and thus able to take relics) and increased WS and BS by 1 (remember knightly ranks no longer exist so you'll lose this with adlance even if you declare one of those knights your warlord) your formation members in 12 inches of your baron have counter attack and overwatch.

over all I'd take Baronial court if you want a to rush midfield and hold it. and grab Ad Lance if you're looking for a heavily concentrated "right up the middile" close range punch.

Take Baronial court if you're going with a mix of wardens, crusaders and Paladins.

Ad Lance however might be better if you're rushing in with errants to hunt down Lemen Russ Squadrons in the back field.

AdLance is significantly better. The re-roll for the AdLance applies to any facing, vs the +1 only on the front for the baronial court. A re-rollable 4++ also blocks 75% of incoming fire, vs 67% for a 3++. That alone makes Adlance better, add in the other bonuses and it's a clear winner.

The adlance has better bonuses when they apply but suffers heavily from it's limitations. To actually win a game, ie engage units that obviously will make distance from your adlance and capture objectives, you will usually have to split your adlance up turn 2-3. This means that the bonuses for adlance are really only in effect during the early game if you want any chance at actually winning. The adlance also limits you to paladins and errants. This is very hard to make a good TAC list from at 1850 pts.

Lets look at the baronial court. You can take any imperial knight (including forgeworld knights). You only have to have 2 knights next to each other to claim a better invulnerable save. Additionally the distance they have to be from each other is considerably larger. Additionally you also get the boost to WS and BS for your warlord which you no longer get in an adlance.

IMO both have their advantages and disadvantages. I however like the baronial court a lot better. BTW you also can take heirlooms with the baronial court on your warlord. Gaining IWND or rampage for ~30 pts can be well worth it.

 CrownAxe wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Doubt it. If I had to guess, formations and supplements are outmoded when a new codex comes out. I can't be too sure, but I'm going off of what happened with Iyanden.

There is no reason to assume that's how old rules get treated. Iyanden isn't viable because it's rules don't function with how the new codex is structured.

AdLance is still completely functional

Iyandan still works perfectly with the new codex, so long as you take a CAD instead of the decurion.

It actually becomes more fluffy and accurate as an Iyandan force as they still have and make extensive use of live guardians. They just generally field many more wraiths than aspects so even the lack of elite slots for aspects in a CAD(due to the wraiths not being available as troops) is fluffy and makes sense.

 greyknight12 wrote:
AdLance is significantly better. The re-roll for the AdLance applies to any facing, vs the +1 only on the front for the baronial court. A re-rollable 4++ also blocks 75% of incoming fire, vs 67% for a 3++. That alone makes Adlance better, add in the other bonuses and it's a clear winner.

True, but ad lance can only be ran with Paladins and Errants

If you want to run a Warden/Crusader/Gallant, you're out of luck

Significant maybe, Adlance doesnt get warlord traits or relics or increase in statlitlines

So its rerollable 4++ vs, 3++ on the front for everyone
Admantine gets rerollable charge distance and D3 hammer of wrath

Baronial court gets +1ws/bs for warlord as well as +1 to front shields, along with able to take a combination of all 5 knights, overwatch andcounter attack

Its not as much of a blowout for Admantine as it appears

Id take Baronial, its more flexible, and splitting the group has less downsides

Take baronial with Gerantius as your Baron with sanctuary, a knight acheron, and a knight warden.


Enjoy having a 2+ front invul and a 3+ for whatever other side you want to protect on Gerantius, and making your opponent eat the acherons flame attack and 12 s6 rending shots in overwatch.

Don't forget to claim balance, and to bring a bucket to collect your opponents tears!

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
Take baronial with Gerantius as your Baron with sanctuary, a knight acheron, and a knight warden.


Enjoy having a 2+ front invul and a 3+ for whatever other side you want to protect on Gerantius, and making your opponent eat the acherons flame attack and 12 s6 rending shots in overwatch.

Gerantius can't be a baron.

He can't? Well than its slightly less cheesy then.

Alright then take a knight warden, make the acheron your baron with sanctuary and save 125pts.

Grenaticus doesn't have to be Baron the gain the Baronial Court's benefit "Ion Shieldwall", it only has to be in the formation and within 6" of another Knight in the same formation. If so, and if it's Ion Shield is set forward, Grenaticus would have a 2++ save to the front.

SJ