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So I desperately wanna play Sisters of Battle, they're my favorite 40k army by a decent margin. I am also poor as sin and could afford to by maybe one 5-10 mini ebay auctions every few months of the absurdly expensive SOB. This means it would be a year before I would have 2 troops choices and an HQ, let alone the correct number of heavy weapons, banners, exorcists, Seraphim, priests, uriah, rhinos, immolators, etc. Their have been rumors of a new sisters release but there are always rumors of a new sisters release, and GW models are still going to be quite expensive.

The raging heroes line that just got kickstarted has 5 mini units that look like standard sisters for 15 and 16, 5 seraphim lookalikes for 22, a celestine that isn't a giant derpface for like 15 and a number of other characters that could be used for really cool superiors, cannonesses or even priests. They even have terminator looking girls that would be awesome as crusaders for a death cult or as alternate retributors or something. With this route I could get 2 squads of basic sisters and a seraphim squad with celestine at the very least for about 100 dollars as opposed to 1 basic sister squad and maybe celestine from GW.

So I guess my question is, is it worth it to pay extra and wait a hugely long time to get sisters models(New release or no), or should I just throw down for the the TGG2 thing?

Very very difficult to say which will come first

Raging H: I am still waiting for my models from the first Kickstarter - might be a couple of years for the new ones - So I will get mine from retail.

That being said - Sadly GW have not shown anything positive that they are actually bothering to make new AS models - they had a great write up, great new artwork, the works in Sheild of Baal BUT no models or even the slighest rule, formation - nada.

It should be noted that RH's model line is at a slightly smaller scale than 40K is, so using them as proxies may not be an option. That is, they're not as "bulky" as most GW minis are, though most (so far, anyway) are the same height (compared to similar models, such as infantry to infantry). This can be both good and bad, of course, as the thinner profile and narrower shoulders may be able to take advantage of LOS-blocking terrain and such better than others, while spacing appropriately (to mitigate blast templates, for example) is going to require keeping a careful eye on your model-placement.

 Psienesis wrote:
It should be noted that RH's model line is at a slightly smaller scale than 40K is, so using them as proxies may not be an option. That is, they're not as "bulky" as most GW minis are, though most (so far, anyway) are the same height (compared to similar models, such as infantry to infantry). This can be both good and bad, of course, as the thinner profile and narrower shoulders may be able to take advantage of LOS-blocking terrain and such better than others, while spacing appropriately (to mitigate blast templates, for example) is going to require keeping a careful eye on your model-placement.

This wouldn't matter to me. As far as I know, there are no tournaments within a hundred miles of where I live and I'm just learning the rules as is. best case scenario I play a few friendly games so something like them being slimmer than sisters wouldn't matter.

I have a different idea for you One that's also conducive to being poor as sin.

Look up "Dreamforge Valkir".

They have EXCELLENT plastics that are cheaper than any GW sculpt (50$ for the 20-man infantry squads, 15$ for the 5-man special squads). They've got an old-world medieval knight feel to them. As an added bonus they come with very recognizable flamer and melta counts-as weapons. They are lacking the boob plate and tactical high-heels, but honestly, do you need them?

Then, you take female head sculpts of your choosing (I used Victoria miniatures heads) and boom, you have Sisters, AWESOME looking Repentias, and Dominions.

Add rhinos, a Saint Celestine, and bam, sisters army.

the_scotsman wrote:
I have a different idea for you One that's also conducive to being poor as sin.

Look up "Dreamforge Valkir".

They have EXCELLENT plastics that are cheaper than any GW sculpt (50$ for the 20-man infantry squads, 15$ for the 5-man special squads). They've got an old-world medieval knight feel to them. As an added bonus they come with very recognizable flamer and melta counts-as weapons. They are lacking the boob plate and tactical high-heels, but honestly, do you need them?

Then, you take female head sculpts of your choosing (I used Victoria miniatures heads) and boom, you have Sisters, AWESOME looking Repentias, and Dominions.

Add rhinos, a Saint Celestine, and bam, sisters army.

Those would be awesome actually. The armor is fairly close to Sisters too, despite being very spartan. And yeah, I have no need for a boob plate. Unfortunately I have less than zero talent at conversions. Hell, I just screwed up a rhino assembly so that half of the top panel doesn't sit right and one of the tread sections is missing.

What's to convert? You get the heads, you get the valkir. When you go to assemble it, put the girl head on the valkir.

TBH I wouldn't even give them bolters. I've always hated how bolters looked on models that aren't space marine sized, they've just got a goofy scale about them.

You COULD get bolters for them, I guess, or you could just use their default gun as a bolter, select one gun to be a melta, and the obvious flamer as a flamer.

The Valkir heavy supports have really really obvious multi-melta and heavy flamer sculpts. Use those. Don't even need helmetless heads for them, you can use those straight out of the box.

The assault valkir have a sword/shield option. just use those as repentia. I've always hated the whole bondage shtick the repentia have going on anyway-just keep them badass and swordy.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Raging H: I am still waiting for my models from the first Kickstarter - might be a couple of years for the new ones - So I will get mine from retail.

I have received the "freebies" from their first Kickstarter. Far as I can tell the resins look good, at least as good as the few FW kits I've got my hands on.

As for stand-ins for SoB... No, I don't quite think their female warriors capture the spirit of modest and penitent nuns with guns. They might be a tad too sexy.

Spetulhu wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Raging H: I am still waiting for my models from the first Kickstarter - might be a couple of years for the new ones - So I will get mine from retail.

I have received the "freebies" from their first Kickstarter. Far as I can tell the resins look good, at least as good as the few FW kits I've got my hands on.

As for stand-ins for SoB... No, I don't quite think their female warriors capture the spirit of modest and penitent nuns with guns. They might be a tad too sexy.

The seraphim (which you have 2 choices bird wings or jetpacks wings) I would argue are fine, and 2 out of the six basics shown are also just in an actiony pose, the other 4 are a bit too hippy for my taste as well. They're overall modeling is just so much better, especially in the face, that I could overlook it, especially if they are poseable at all.

The real question is will they be available for purchase on the main website soon and offer a shipping option that doesn't take upwards of two years. Seriously on their TGG2 kickstarted it says estimated arrival march 2016. My friend is still waiting for some minis from their last Kickstarter.

If they fix that ill gladly buy their minis. but if not, i may as well wait for a GW update(2020) by the latest.

the_scotsman wrote:
They are lacking the ... tactical high-heels, but honestly, do you need them?

Except none of the actual metal Sisters models have high heels... they are all wearing power armoured boots. There is some older (imo crappy) artwork of them in heels but thankfully that is not present in the digital codex.

I personally don't like the aesthetics of the Raging Hero models at all. I think the GW Sisters models, despite being an old metal sculpt, actually look really good. Yes you're going to have alot of samey looking models (Sister holding bolter up, Sister holding bolter down, Sister with Helmet, Sister pulling pin on Grenade), but with some creative painting you can put enough variety into it that it stands out. It's certainly no worse than a big similar looking blob of say Guardsmen or Orks anyway. Of course cost is the real issue - I got really lucky and got basically an entire, mostly unpainted, army off ebay for about a third of the price if it had of been bought new from GW.

The thing is that raging heroes will more than likely offer these models up on their main store. And even though shipping will be awful, it will still probably be cheeper. Even though I like that GWs models aren't overly sexualized. price and lack attention are real factors for buying from another company. TBH i like the raging heroes models. only thing i can gripe about is that they a bit over sexualised for my taste. but that can be fixed with green stuff.

All GW needs to do is give the army a little attention. did you see the money that kickstarted made? 100k in the first ten days. close to 400k by the end. all from only 1500 people IIRC. that averages to $233 per person.

 Madoch1 wrote:
The thing is that raging heroes will more than likely offer these models up on their main store. And even though shipping will be awful, it will still probably be cheeper. Even though I like that GWs models aren't overly sexualized. price and lack attention are real factors for buying from another company. TBH i like the raging heroes models. only thing i can gripe about is that they a bit over sexualised for my taste. but that can be fixed with green stuff.

All GW needs to do is give the army a little attention. did you see the money that kickstarted made? 100k in the first ten days. close to 400k by the end. all from only 1500 people IIRC. that averages to $233 per person.

Not all of us were there for the Sisters. After the Sororitas, Dark Eldar are a strong contender for the title of 'bastard child sucking scraps from the GW table.'

Still, great minis. I'm not saying exactly how much I dropped, but I know there are definitely a couple people who backed for less than $233.

Also, TGG2 seems to be progressing much faster than TGG1, production wise.

 Jimsolo wrote:

 Madoch1 wrote:
The thing is that raging heroes will more than likely offer these models up on their main store. And even though shipping will be awful, it will still probably be cheeper. Even though I like that GWs models aren't overly sexualized. price and lack attention are real factors for buying from another company. TBH i like the raging heroes models. only thing i can gripe about is that they a bit over sexualised for my taste. but that can be fixed with green stuff.

All GW needs to do is give the army a little attention. did you see the money that kickstarted made? 100k in the first ten days. close to 400k by the end. all from only 1500 people IIRC. that averages to $233 per person.

Not all of us were there for the Sisters. After the Sororitas, Dark Eldar are a strong contender for the title of 'bastard child sucking scraps from the GW table.'

Still, great minis. I'm not saying exactly how much I dropped, but I know there are definitely a couple people who backed for less than $233.

Also, TGG2 seems to be progressing much faster than TGG1, production wise.

Very true and a point well made. Not everyone backed TGG2 for $233 (thats just the average, there was one person who pulled a donation for $3000, well over the average). Yes you may like Raging Heroes for their "Sisters" or "Dark Eldar" minis, but the point is that it is a market the GW should really get a whiff of.

I currently play Dark Eldar, but thats only 'til GW or Raging heroes comes out with good sisters models (i like RH's models but a year for shipping is just a little long)

It's a weird catch 22 for the new sisters, GW won't release anything new until there is evidence that it will sell (ie by more current models being sold). And people won't buy the current models because they're old (out of place with the current aesthetic), expensive, metal, and have no support.

The Scotsman gave the best advice, the dream forge models are badass and a head swap isn't really a conversion anymore than putting a different weapon option is. I'd go with that.

If GW sees more people using the sisters rules but other companies models being used as stand ins they'll eventually come around because they're not going to want to miss out on that revenue. The problem is too that the sisters rules in the various supplements aren't competitive so tourney players aren't going to bring them.

I really thought when the data slate came out with the sisters rules that it was a harbinger for a codex, it seemed like an interest test to the community, if a lot of the data skates were purchased GW would know there was substantial interest in the army. I don't think there was an accurate test sample though because of several reasons:
1) Most people don't buy data slates unless it's for a set of rules they are already using.
2). A lot of people have stopped buying white dwarf and missed the announcement.
3). Pirated copies mean that GW isn't getting accurate statistic.
4). Word of mouth from some podcasts and forums reviewed the list in a negative light discouraging sales.

I too would really like to have a sisters army, but I'm not going to unless the is a codex, new models, and product support. Unfortunately I see sisters going the way of Chaos Dwarfs (they're mentioned from time to time in the fluff, there are limited models and rules for them but that's it). The way to truly combat this bleak future for them is to stop all negativity towards GW, and chastise those fools who keep bitching. When GW puts product research out chastise dimwits who complain about it. Tell people who complain about prices to STFU because they're ruining GWs chance of taking a risk. Be positive and hopefully the community will become more positive.

Sorry for the rant, I think the Dreamforge option is a cool idea,

The Sisters data-codex was GW's best-seller for a long, long time. If that doesn't tell GW something, nothing will.

As a Sisters player, I'm all for you using the Raging Heroes models. That GW refuses to fully support them is a tragedy, but they're a fun army that deserves more players. And since GW doesn't support tourneys any more, there *shouldn't* be any issues with you running females in armor as SoB proxies.

I have to say the models from dream forge are pretty cool. I don't think that the victoria miniatures heads are quite right, but i think i can now start my sisters army. Finally.