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Hi all,
I hope I am in the good part of the forum for the few question I have.

As mentionned in another topic I am a "new player" (played about 15 years agos 40k) and I started a small skitarii force.

Now I see that there is a new release for the adeptus mechanicus: Cult mechanicum.

Skitarii and cult mechanicum are two seperate codex but I guess I could field units from the two codex together?
How does it works, do they follow the ally rules? Or could I simply mix them together?

Could I field a skitarii force with the new Kastelan robots or any other "next" release in the general "Adeptus mechanicus codex" in the near future?

Of course as everyone I heard the rumours of an adeptus mechanicus codex.
I have to say this is really confusing for new players.

Also I was talking with someone from GW who told me I could field mechanicum troops from heresy in 40k games and vice versa?
How could this be possible?

If it's the case which book would I need as codex for mechanicum troops?



regards

Alright, you can play 30k with 40k, at most point levels however it is very unbalanced. 1800s are generally agreed to be best.

Also no one is really sure what is happening with the Ad Mechanicus. Some are predicting all of their faction will get one super-book with all the rules. But we have nothing concrete

 Quickjager wrote:
Alright, you can play 30k with 40k, at most point levels however it is very unbalanced. 1800s are generally agreed to be best.

Also no one is really sure what is happening with the Ad Mechanicus. Some are predicting all of their faction will get one super-book with all the rules. But we have nothing concrete

What do you mean by unbalcanced? I never played Heresy?

I think you just need to use them as allies, if you want to play them together.

Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus appear to be separate sub-factions of the larger (not in a single book) Adeptus Mechanicus, similar to how .. say ... Space Wolves and Dark Angels are separate sub-factions of the larger (not in a single book) Adeptus Astartes.

The plain fact is that we don't know. Now, three things can happen. The Skitarii could be units in the Mechanicum Codex, like how Militarum Tempestas has units in the Astra Militarum Codex but also has a Codex all of their own. In that case, you might have wasted money on the Skitarii one and they'll just be copy-pasted into the bigger codex. This would mean they are the same army in every case, but the Skitarii are a Supplement like Haemonuclus Covens. Limited units, some new Formations and Detachments, same army.

Or, they will be separate codecies. Different Faction, different everything and you have no choice but to take them as separate Detachments. That would mean you have to use them as per the Allied Matrix. They'd prolly be Battle Brothers so it's not a big thing, and the Skitarii Detachment, whatever it's called, is very easy to add into an existing army.

Or the third option , and it's kinda a play on the second option, is that the AdMech book will have a Detachment similar to the Purge in the new IA: Vraks book. One Detachment that pulls from two Factions equally and at the same time to make a bigger army. This would mean that NORMALLY the two act independently, but the rules for the specific Detachment lets you use both as one part of your army.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
The plain fact is that we don't know. Now, three things can happen. The Skitarii could be units in the Mechanicum Codex, like how Militarum Tempestas has units in the Astra Militarum Codex but also has a Codex all of their own. In that case, you might have wasted money on the Skitarii one and they'll just be copy-pasted into the bigger codex. This would mean they are the same army in every case, but the Skitarii are a Supplement like Haemonuclus Covens. Limited units, some new Formations and Detachments, same army.

Or, they will be separate codecies. Different Faction, different everything and you have no choice but to take them as separate Detachments. That would mean you have to use them as per the Allied Matrix. They'd prolly be Battle Brothers so it's not a big thing, and the Skitarii Detachment, whatever it's called, is very easy to add into an existing army.

Or the third option , and it's kinda a play on the second option, is that the AdMech book will have a Detachment similar to the Purge in the new IA: Vraks book. One Detachment that pulls from two Factions equally and at the same time to make a bigger army. This would mean that NORMALLY the two act independently, but the rules for the specific Detachment lets you use both as one part of your army.

This is not easy for a newcomer... and how ("not so") ($$$) stupid to publish seperate codex before the main codex. But if I am not wrong the main codex (Adeptus Mechanicus) is still a rumour.

Rule question: If I take on detachement of skitarii and one of the cult mechanicum (as allies) do I benefit for both detchments special rules like [b]Doctrina Imperatives [

That ship has sailed. Go look at the GW web store. Plenty of units not in the Skitarii Codex means that there's another codex.

Detachments are separate except in the Decurion style Detachments. That is the only exception where Formations benefit inside other Detachments. So in your example, the answer is no. But, I think Doctrina Imperatives are a Special Rule, not a Command Benefit, so that doesn't apply to the Detachments anyway. That's on a model by model basis. If it has the rule, it benefits from the rule.

geekoo wrote:

Rule question: If I take on detachement of skitarii and one of the cult mechanicum (as allies) do I benefit for both detchments special rules like Doctrina Imperatives

No. Doctrina Imperatives specifically state that you have to have the "Doctrina Imperatives" special rule in order to be affected by it.
The Kastelan(and the rest of the Cult Mechanicus book) are stated to have something called "Canticles of the Omnissiah".

However, things like Kastelans firing at a unit with HPBs will allow for your Skitarii models to count the unit's cover save as -2 when coupled with an Omnispex, and will allow for your Ruststalkers/Infiltrators/Dragoons to reroll dice for their charge range since it simply states "friendly models".