[1850] - Ork Tournament Cheese list?

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**r_squared**

Entering a tournament later in the year and after talking to my friends who are going, they mentioned the amount of knights they are going to take. The rules of the tournament state bound CAD and one Formation only, per army, and no single model more than 600 points which immediately rules out the standard Ork Stompa.
Knights are Super Heavy Vehicles, and the Ork equivalents in stature without being super heavy, are the Gork/ Morkanaught which are not really comparable without that super-heavy classification.
This got me thinking about the list I came up with before, and how to adapt it to the most terrifying thing I can think of, and this list is it. Battlescribe, and my own research seems to say it's ok, but I'm throwing it out to you guys, the experts, to look at. Is this list likely to stand up to scrutiny?

CAD - Ork Horde Detachment - 999 pts

HQ
Mad Dok Grotsnik, Da Painboss - 144 pts
Warboss, EA, PK, Shoota, Da Lukky Stick - 114 pts

Troops
3x Gretchin mobz, Runtherds - 105 pts

Heavy
Lootas x2, 3x Mek, 2x KMB, 1x Slugga - 80 pts
Mek Gunz - 2x KMK, 1x Traktor Kannon - 90pts

LOW
Buzzgob's Big Mek Stompa, 3x Big Shoota, d6x Power Fields, Gaze of Mork, Lifta-Droppa, Deff Kannon - 450 pts

Formation - Green Tide - (Waaagh! Ghazghkull) - 849 pts

HQ
Warboss - PK, Shoota - 85 pts

Troops
10x Boyz mobs - 4x Boss Nobz, 4x PKs. 100x Boyz Sluggas, Choppas - 764 pts

Total 1848 pts

That Stompa is just a ridiculous amount of awesome for that points value. The Deff Kannon, and Gaze of Mork are worth it on their own. I had heard of this Mek Stompa, and did wonder if it might not be fun to give them something serious to shoot at.

However, Is Buzzgob's Big Mek Stompa only available as part of a Dred Mob, or can it be freely used by any Ork force. I can't see anything that says it can't.
Also, there seems to be this stipulation...

Da Dreadheadz
If Mek Boss Buzzgob is included in an Ork Dread Mob army he must be the army’s Warlord, regardless of Leadership values.

That would Nerf the Warboss of the Green Tides ability to call a Waaagh every round, however, as this is not a Dread Mob army, I would read it that the rule does not apply.
Thoughts?

**Zavvy**

Interesting list. The green tide plus a stompa is basically the dream LOL. I would make the mek gunz all traktor kannonz because you have nothing else really to deal with fliers, or take all KMKs and simply ignore fliers. Also, I'm not sure about the whole stompa thing. The ITC format, which is what I'm familiar with, doesn't allow buzzgob's stompa simply because it's point value makes zero sense. However, if the tournament you're going to allows it, then by all means use it. I agree with you on the warlord bit though.

**Waaagh 18**

If you're only taking 2 HQs, take a CAD for objective secured. Also, KMBs on little Meks are mostly worthless as your odds of killing yourself are often greater than those of killing the enemy.

**Frozocrone**

Buzzgobs Stompa can only be used in apoc games

**gungo**

Hate to burst your bubble but the buzzgrob stompa was posted by fw to be a misprint. It's not +300 points to the price of buzzgrob its +300 points on the price of the stompa.

It's not a cheap stompa for half the price that poops out a big Mek when it dies. It's 1070pts for a the most durable warlord in the game that has all buzzgrobs special rules.

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Frozocrone wrote:
Buzzgobs Stompa can only be used in apoc games

That's debatable it says apoc or other large scale games. I am fairly certain escalation is large scale games and since most tournaments use escalation rules. It should be allowed. However the price isn't right.

**Pain4Pleasure**

gungo wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble but the buzzgrob stompa was posted by fw to be a misprint. It's not +300 points to the price of buzzgrob its +300 points on the price of the stompa.

It's not a cheap stompa for half the price that poops out a big Mek when it dies. It's 1070pts for a the most durable warlord in the game that has all buzzgrobs special rules.

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Frozocrone wrote:
Buzzgobs Stompa can only be used in apoc games

That's debatable it says apoc or other large scale games. I am fairly certain escalation is large scale games and since most tournaments use escalation rules. It should be allowed. However the price isn't right.

This can also be debated as I have seen emails from forge world stating it is and some stating it isn't 400 points but no official FAQ has came out therefore you can get away with it at most tourneys that will allow it.

**doktor_g**

Stompa Tide is no bueno my friend.... If you are gonna face a dirty D list... The stompa will detonate in the midst of your tide. Leaving you with a gaping hole in the midst of your boyz. At least that's what happened to my Stompa Tide in 3 out of 3 tourney games. Kableeewey!!!!! Sad face.

**gungo**

What email from forgeworld stating it was 400 points? The only emails and Facebook post (back when they had Facebook) said it was misprinted and meant to be +300 to the big mek stompa price. It also makes no sense for a better stompa for half the price, whereas makes total sense for a more expensive stompa that is also a warlord, has a bunch of special rules including objective secured and a free big Mek with 2 grots, that doesn't die when the stompa is destroyed, making it the most durable warlord in game.

Sure you can bring it to games where the local tournament organizer doesn't know the rules but that isn't really playing fair when you know the unit is misprinted. This is also why major tournaments rule that it's either banned or +300 to the big Mek.

**darkflame182**

Wasn't grotsnik 160 points ?

**r_squared**

I have explicitly questioned the tournament organisers about this, and they have stated that as far as they are concerned as long as it is an official GW or FW model, with rules, then it's fine.
I am not trying to cheat anyone here or exploit anything, however, I want to be sure that what I am doing is legal and I haven't found anything, apart from forum posts, that says that I cannot do this.

I have heard about emails and such, but unfortunately there doesn't appear to be anything in official print, or FAQ that says that the Stompa is anything but BuzzGobb at 100 points, +300 points for his stompa.
It does seem to make people a little irate though so I am trying to avoid being provocative and simply asking, however I simply cannot find anything officially published that says otherwise, and as far as I am concerned, I don't know any different. If FW released something official, then absolutely fine, but this appears to have been brought up numerous times, and no correction has been issued and again, I haven't read any email or authentic missive from Forgeworld that says it is a mistake, and I have looked. All I have read are forum posts from people who claim to have contacted Forgeworld, and have quoted text from an email.
If someone was trying to buff their rules, and claimed that this was their source, what would be the response?

I have also read the Apoc only arguments, but it does also state, any large scale game and again, the tournament organisers are happy with this.

@zavvy, it's a good point about the KMKs on the Mek Guns, they've been good for me in the games I've played them however, with the amount of fire-power from the Stompa they're probably redundant. 2 separate units of Traktor Kannons would give an effective counter to flyers though.

**doktor_g**

Will still die to cheaper IK in melee or lynx/ CraftKnight at Range.... not worth...

**r_squared**

The IK has to get to the Stompa first for CC. There will be a tide in the way and it will be taking Dakka from the Stompa too. Plus at 450 points it is very worth it for the IK, and the rest of my opponents firepower to be diverted away from the tide, which can then get up close and personal with much fewer casualties.
If the Stompa sits at the back, surrounded by Grots, it will be a tough, deadly distraction that will be hard to assault. Plus, with Power fields, it should soak up quite a few shots for a couple of turns before they start damaging it with shooting. They will need to kill it in one go, as with 4 meks on board, it's going to recover hull points every turn.
It is about a third of the armies value, even with it gone, there is still a fearless, FNP, +1 WS, 7x PK tide to compete with.
I am going to try this out, and TBH I am still experimenting with different lists. It will be interesting to see how it stands up.

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

WHatever Forgeworld's announcements on Facebook, that's irrelevant according to the Tenets of YMDC.

It's not as if the unit is particularly broken compared to other codices. For a tournament it depends on the organiser's rules, but personally I wouldn't feel any guilt fielding it against my friends' Necron or Eldar cheese lists. Not as long as the Stompa is properly modelled and looks cool...

Edit
Very sad to tell you that I queried Forgeworld and got an answer today.
Q: there is a tournament in June and we would like to bring a Dread Mob list, partly because it looks so cool, even if it's not that competitive.
It would be a lot more competitive if we can take Buzz Gob's stompa, as detailed in the most current FAQ. However, I have been told that Forgeworld have officially announced that this is a mis-print, and that the upgrade should cost more than the 300 points stated in this document? Is that correct?
A: That's a very good question and certainly a head scratcher!
the stompa is the standard cost of a stompa +300 points for the use of the special one.

We at Forge World encourage the use of “house rules” by this we mean if a specific rule is unclear or may have multiple meanings or indeed different meanings to different people, we would say use the time old tradition of a 4+ roll off or what we prefer more is to follow the theme and storyline of what would happen if the battle were a real conflict. As long as your opponent is okay with you using the chosen rules or models then we say have fun!

So, they mean we pay 300 points to get a scoring stompa. So, it's pretty clear, and it looks like Buzzgob's stompa will be costing around 1130 point when IA8 comes out

**Pain4Pleasure**

People just don't want orks to have a unit with such cheap points that compared to most things.. and I said most.. Will roflstompa them. As stated there is nothing official, therefore it's 400

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

I've updated my post... even tho tears were flooding my keyboard...

**Icelord**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
WHatever Forgeworld's announcements on Facebook, that's irrelevant according to the Tenets of YMDC.

It's not as if the unit is particularly broken compared to other codices. For a tournament it depends on the organiser's rules, but personally I wouldn't feel any guilt fielding it against my friends' Necron or Eldar cheese lists. Not as long as the Stompa is properly modelled and looks cool...

Edit
Very sad to tell you that I queried Forgeworld and got an answer today.
Q: there is a tournament in June and we would like to bring a Dread Mob list, partly because it looks so cool, even if it's not that competitive.
It would be a lot more competitive if we can take Buzz Gob's stompa, as detailed in the most current FAQ. However, I have been told that Forgeworld have officially announced that this is a mis-print, and that the upgrade should cost more than the 300 points stated in this document? Is that correct?
A: That's a very good question and certainly a head scratcher!
the stompa is the standard cost of a stompa +300 points for the use of the special one.

We at Forge World encourage the use of “house rules” by this we mean if a specific rule is unclear or may have multiple meanings or indeed different meanings to different people, we would say use the time old tradition of a 4+ roll off or what we prefer more is to follow the theme and storyline of what would happen if the battle were a real conflict. As long as your opponent is okay with you using the chosen rules or models then we say have fun!

So, they mean we pay 300 points to get a scoring stompa. So, it's pretty clear, and it looks like Buzzgob's stompa will be costing around 1130 point when IA8 comes out

^
This. I had almost the same email response. Its about 1130 points as stated in my similar email from FW.

**Frozocrone**

Maybe the cost of it will be dropped. I wouldn't pay 300 pts just for Objective Secured.

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

Trying to be optimistic.... I reckon it's 1030 for Buzzgob's stompa.

Original interpretations is that it's an "additional" 300 points on top of the cost of Buzzgob.

if it's an additional 300 points on top of the cost of a Big Mek Stompa, then the use of the word "exchanged" must mean the 300 includes Buzzgob.

**Icelord**

No it's buzz (100) plus 300 plus stompa. I have the email.

**Pain4Pleasure**

Ok ok... While yes it was a misprint and yes we all know the truth of the cost.. until an actual faq is released you could be that guy that argues the only official "rul e" has it at 400 total. No one would do this,but they could. Obviously you could refuse to play with them in return

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

Well, scrub that Klaw we were gonna get for the Stompa... and might be time to get rid of Buzzgob. Time for a barebones Kustom stompa with wrecking ball etc I reckon.

**r_squared**

I have taken it upon myself to send the email listed below as well asking for this to be clarified properly once and for all. If no FAQ or update is released, then it is licence for people to take the statement at face value, especially as Battlescribe backs up the 400 points cost in it's listings and is what many players, including myself, regularly use to build lists.

Hello there,
I am entering a tournament towards the end of the year, and am looking to build my list and am looking for some clarification. Having looked around, it would appear that Forgeworld Dread Mob rules, published by Forgeworld, allow a Stompa to be purchased for 400 points.

"Buzzgob’s Kustom Stompa
In games of Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse, or other large scale battles, Buzzgob may be exchanged for a Big Mek Stompa for +300 points (see Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse, page 272). Buzzgob’s Big Mek Stompa uses all of the rules for a Big Mek Stompa and may select any of the options available to one for the same points cost. When this option is selected, Buzzgob counts as a Lords of War choice and an army that includes him may not select another Lords of War choice."

My interpretation, and that of many others, is that this allows us to purchase BuzzGob for 100 points and then exchange him for a Stompa for an extra 300 points. Obviously this is a very good choice, and it is also supported by the mobile app Battlescribe, commonly used by many gamers to create army lists, which confirms the Stompa at 400 points, and allows upgrades to be made.
I was about to purchase BuzzGob, and the necessary upgrades for my Stompa from Forgeworld, however according to a selection of answers I have received to a post I made on the DakkaDakka forum, it appears that this is a known misinterpretation, and a mistake in phrasing by Forgeworld. Apparently, the real cost is that of a standard Stompa at 770 points, plus additionally +100 points for BuzzGob, and a further +300 points to upgrade him to this specific Stompa, totalling 1170 points.
This seems excessive for the modest benefits afforded by this upgrade, especially as all units in 7th edition of 40k rules are now considered Scoring units.

Confusingly, it has been suggested that this is apparently a known error, but no errata or FAQ has been officially released to correct this. Could you please confirm the actual points cost, and crucially, could an update or FAQ be released publicly which confirms it?
On searching, there are many Forum posts that claim to have read Facebook announcements, or quote email or correspondence from Forgeworld representatives that correct the mistake. However, without an official posted response, it is likely that that this mistake will continue to be made, and also stops players from selecting this Stompa for their armies, as it is banned in many tournaments due to the confusion.
Thank you for your time and consideration,

**Frozocrone**

Just remember that an email from a FW employee =/= rules but hope it works out for you and that the TO accepts it.

**r_squared**

I think it's shaky to state than an email counts as rules. This is apparently a common, and frequent mistake, and surely deserves proper clarification above an informal communication.
It would be intensely annoying if, after being assured that infact a Stompa can be bought for 400 points, buying the appropriate models then building and painting them, only to turn up at an event and be challenged about it to have only an email as evidence of legality and be told that it is insufficient.
If someone told me that their army now enjoys a 2+ FNP throughout, and only had an email to prove the assertion, it would seem dubious at best.

**gungo**

It's actually not a stompa plus 300 it's a big Mek stompa plus 300. I've never heard the cost of adding buzzgrob is added.
But a big Mek stompa is what 830? In apocalypse. It's crazy to think you get a better version for 400.

I know it's overcosted as most fw units are however those are the rules for it. And it's less an issue of a misprint then a really poorly worded listing.

"Buzzgrob may be exchanged for a big Mek stompa for +300 points"

Readin that poorly worded line is what confuses everyone does it mean buzzgrob +300 or exchange buzzgrob for a bigmek stompa +300 points.

I wouldn't use buzzgrob personally as it's well known that it's suppose to cost bigmek stompa plus 300. I have never read an official response stating it was 400 in the dozens of responses each time someone asks.

for the person stating that a big Mek stompa would die to knights and wraithknights. You do know big Mek stompas have d6 power fields that can stop str d, can have a big Mek with kff for a 5++ save and has several of its own str d range weapons?

Now priced as intended it is overpriced but also realize buzzgrobs stompa is also your warlord and is the hardest to kill warlord in game. Pretty much denying slay the warlord to your opponent. Even if buzzgrob stompa dies you still have a chance to resurrect buzzgrob on a 5+ and place him on the table to hide until the games over.

Do not let the fact buzzgrob stompa dissuade you from buying the buzzgrob model it is an amazing model that I own and use to proxy as a big Mek with or without eavy armour and big choppa. I even made a kff on its own base that I attach to buzzgrob w a chain to give him a kff when needed. Best looking big Mek by far. His claws also make a great proxy for Mek tools or the fixer uppers.

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

r_squared wrote:
I have taken it upon myself to send the email listed below as well asking for this to be clarified properly once and for all. If no FAQ or update is released, then it is licence for people to take the statement at face value, especially as Battlescribe backs up the 400 points cost in it's listings and is what many players, including myself, regularly use to build lists.

Hello there,
I am entering a tournament towards the end of the year, and am looking to build my list and am looking for some clarification. Having looked around, it would appear that Forgeworld Dread Mob rules, published by Forgeworld, allow a Stompa to be purchased for 400 points.

"Buzzgob’s Kustom Stompa
In games of Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse, or other large scale battles, Buzzgob may be exchanged for a Big Mek Stompa for +300 points (see Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse, page 272). Buzzgob’s Big Mek Stompa uses all of the rules for a Big Mek Stompa and may select any of the options available to one for the same points cost. When this option is selected, Buzzgob counts as a Lords of War choice and an army that includes him may not select another Lords of War choice."

My interpretation, and that of many others, is that this allows us to purchase BuzzGob for 100 points and then exchange him for a Stompa for an extra 300 points. Obviously this is a very good choice, and it is also supported by the mobile app Battlescribe, commonly used by many gamers to create army lists, which confirms the Stompa at 400 points, and allows upgrades to be made.
I was about to purchase BuzzGob, and the necessary upgrades for my Stompa from Forgeworld, however according to a selection of answers I have received to a post I made on the DakkaDakka forum, it appears that this is a known misinterpretation, and a mistake in phrasing by Forgeworld. Apparently, the real cost is that of a standard Stompa at 770 points, plus additionally +100 points for BuzzGob, and a further +300 points to upgrade him to this specific Stompa, totalling 1170 points.
This seems excessive for the modest benefits afforded by this upgrade, especially as all units in 7th edition of 40k rules are now considered Scoring units.

Confusingly, it has been suggested that this is apparently a known error, but no errata or FAQ has been officially released to correct this. Could you please confirm the actual points cost, and crucially, could an update or FAQ be released publicly which confirms it?
On searching, there are many Forum posts that claim to have read Facebook announcements, or quote email or correspondence from Forgeworld representatives that correct the mistake. However, without an official posted response, it is likely that that this mistake will continue to be made, and also stops players from selecting this Stompa for their armies, as it is banned in many tournaments due to the confusion.
Thank you for your time and consideration,

Sure, whatever, you just sent another version of an email that, as posted, was answered today. Hope you get an entirely different answer but the odds are against you. I'm sure posting the Battlescribe entry will help your case.

The Big Mek stompa, by the way, costs 830 points, not 770, hence the maths posted earlier.

**gungo**

I have faith the big Mek stompa will be lowered in cost mostly because when it's original price was written the lifta droppa was amazing and the str d eye laser was much better too. It was almost worth 830 points just to watch your opponents face as you dropped his exploding rhino into the rest of his army.

**r_squared**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
.....Sure, whatever, you just sent another version of an email that, as posted, was answered today. Hope you get an entirely different answer but the odds are against you. I'm sure posting the Battlescribe entry will help your case.

The Big Mek stompa, by the way, costs 830 points, not 770, hence the maths posted earlier.

I'm not being difficult, and I'm sure you're as honest as I am, but just publishing the text from an email proves nothing, which is why I'm not trying to persuade them of anything other than to publish an errata that confirms the actual points cost. Even if they reply to me, and state the points cost, it needs to be confirmed officially otherwise this never gets resolved apart from to me directly. However, that would still make it difficult for me to turn up at a tournament with only a print out of an email as back up of my costing to prove it's legitimacy.
We can't even decide how to calculate it's cost anyway. Whether it's points, plus a Mek Stompa (650 or 830 points), a standard Stompa (either the 600 point one in IA8 or the 770 point one in the latest codex), a Kustom Stompa (350 points), whether we still have to pay for Buzzgob as well as the +300 points, or if that is included, or is it just Buzzgob +300 points. It's basically a bit of a mess.
The people of Battlescribe have subscribed to one costing, but other people believe it's incorrect. If FW receive more than one email every couple of months, then maybe they will clarify officially what it is supposed to be. That is what I will try and persuade whoever replies to me to actually do rather than just send out yet another email.
To be honest, I think a Kustom Stompa Base (350) plus the points for Buzz, plus the 300 for the rest of the equipment sounds reasonable, considering a standard Stompa in IA8 appears to be 600 points, and reading IA8 it lends itself to this being the basic idea of how the costs are calculated.

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

read the FAQ. It quite specifically says, Buzzgob gets a Big Mek Stompa as used in the apocalypse book, page 272, listed as 830 points.

As far as it being a bit of a mess - I agree.

I was actually about to buy a Claw in order to conform to the Big Mek Stompa configuration, now I simply won't bother, and will stick with the IA8 Kustom Stompa - 475 for Gaze of Mork, Krusha Ball, and Lifta Droppa, (which isn't great, but I have one modelled), with a transport capacity of 30, or 595 with a Deff Arsenal.

**r_squared**

You're right, however after an email exchange with FW, it appears it's the price of the Standard Stompa from the Apocalypse book, plus BuzzGobb's 100 points, plus the extra 300 points. I don't have the latest Apocalypse book, so I don't know how much that would be I'm afraid, but I'm guessing it's 600 points? If so, the BuzzGobb Stompa is bang on 1000 points.
Unfotunately, it also seems that there is no timescale to update the Dread Mob FAQ or indeed any of the Ork stats in the forseeable future, which by their own admission are 2 rules and 3 Ork codex's out of date, putting them pretty much in the dubious validity category as far as I am concerned. That's a real shame and will also see them still receiving the occasional email every now and then. Perhaps more so, seeing as Battlescribe allows you to take this Stompa for 400 points.
Fortunately, I maybe still able to take a Kustom Stompa for the Tournament. By building one, I can include some rather nice D weapons, and powerfields for less than 600 points, which is the limit allowed for my competition. It just means I may have to sacrifice a Nob from the Tide and the Mek Guns.

Anyway, here is a copy of the email exchange between "anonymous" of Forgeworld and myself. They are very much in the camp that you buy their products for the models, and the rules are a secondary consideration. I suppose they are right in this respect, but unfortunately, I doubt I'll buy any of the Stompa upgrades if they are of no use to me. I may consider BuzzGob himself though, as I do quite like the model, and he can easily proxy as a standard Big Mek if I need him too.

Hi Phil.

Buzzgob can purchase his special ed stompa for an additional 300 points on top of a standard stompa from the apocalypse book. you would also have to pay the points cost for him which allows the ability to take his stompa.

The ability buzzgob gives to his stompa and the upgrades allows are "good value" as its an awesome model and some funky rules, we believe that the models set the game the rules just help it along.

We are continually working on our rules and FAQ's but unfortunately with this particular list we do not have a time frame to when it will be done as it is 3 ork codecs and 2 editions of the main rules out of date which means the entire book needs re-writting.

I hope this helps

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On 15 May 2015 at 12:29, Phil <> wrote:

Hi there,
Thank you for your reply. However, which stompa? Is it the standard ork codex stompa at 770 points, is it the the Big Mek Stompa, in IA8 at 650 points, or the Kustom Stompa base which is 350 points?

Also, do you have to buy the BuzzGob character for 100 points, and then buy the stompa for a further +300 points, and then purchase a stompa? I won't go into why these costs were worked out, but it is incredibly poor value, points wise, to consider this upgrade which deters people considering including this model in their army.

I realise that Forgeworld staff are incredibly busy, but I am disappointed to hear that there are no plans to clarify this particular rule, or to amend the pdf so that it reads in accordance with the intention. Hopefully, if you receive further emails about this from other people who are similarly confused, then you might reconsider?
Kind Regards,
Phil

On 15/05/15 11:07, forgeworld wrote:
> Hi,
> Thank you for your email. The +300 points for Buzzgobs stompa, is in addition to the cost of the stompa. So it is the cost of the stompa, plus an additional 300 points.
> There is currently no date as to when this list would be updated for 7th Edition 40k
>
>
> If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.
>
>
> Regards,
> Forge World
>
> If you have a query about your order, please call
> 0115 900 4995 within the UK
> 011 44 115 900 4995 from the US and Canada
> 00 44 115 900 4995 from much of Europe
>
> Our office hours are:
> 0930 – 1800 (GMT) Monday to Friday
> 0930 – 1700 (GMT) Saturday
>
>
>
> On 14 May 2015 at 21:24, Phil <> wrote:

> Hello there,
> I am entering a tournament towards the end of the year, and am looking to build my list and am looking for some clarification. Having looked around, it would appear that Forgeworld Dread Mob rules, published by Forgeworld, allow a Stompa to be purchased for 400 points.
>
> "Buzzgob’s Kustom Stompa
> In games of Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse, or other large scale battles, Buzzgob may be exchanged for a Big Mek Stompa for +300 points (see Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse, page 272). Buzzgob’s Big Mek Stompa uses all of the rules for a Big Mek Stompa and may select any of the options available to one for the same points cost. When this option is selected, Buzzgob counts as a Lords of War choice and an army that includes him may not select another Lords of War choice."
>
> My interpretation, and that of many others, is that this allows us to purchase BuzzGob for 100 points and then exchange him for a Stompa for an extra 300 points. Obviously this is a very good choice, and it is also supported by the mobile app Battlescribe, commonly used by many gamers to create army lists, which confirms the Stompa at 400 points, and allows upgrades to be made.
> I was about to purchase BuzzGob, and the necessary upgrades for my Stompa from Forgeworld, however according to a selection of answers I have received to a post I made on the DakkaDakka forum, it appears that this is a known misinterpretation, and a mistake in phrasing by Forgeworld. Apparently, the real cost is that of a standard Stompa at 770 points, plus additionally +100 points for BuzzGob, and a further +300 points to upgrade him to this specific Stompa, totalling 1170 points.
> This seems excessive for the modest benefits afforded by this upgrade, especially as all units in 7th edition of 40k rules are now considered Scoring units.
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> Confusingly, it has been suggested that this is apparently a known error, but no errata or FAQ has been officially released to correct this. Could you please confirm the actual points cost, and crucially, could an update or FAQ be released publicly which confirms it?
> On searching, there are many Forum posts that claim to have read Facebook announcements, or quote email or correspondence from Forgeworld representatives that correct the mistake. However, without an official posted response, it is likely that that this mistake will continue to be made, and also stops players from selecting this Stompa for their armies, as it is banned in many tournaments due to the confusion.
> Thank you for your time and consideration,
> Kind Regards,
> Phil
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