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Made in us
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Peoria, IL

AdeptiCon has allowed FW in a number of our events going on 12 years.

After a decade of debating for more FW inclusion in events, supporting FW rules and books, seems that we have turned the corner. The focus of complaints now is on LoW and Str D.





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Made in us
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Peoria, IL

@Eldar Vampire Hunter -

We will have to politely disagree.

AdeptiCon has produced the Warhammer 40K Approved Imperial Armour Units listing for years to make it possible for people and other events to source the most current rule material for a unit.

AdeptiCon supports a full weekend slate of Horus Heresy Events supporting not only Forge World models but the Horus Heresy rules, and lists.

AdeptiCon allows Forge World models in a large number of our events but as you have correctly pointed out with a 0-1 unique restriction. However, if someone was so inclined they could run a full army of nothing but Forge world models as long as they never replicated a unit entry.

You are correct, we generally do not support Forge world army lists in our events. I have explained it a number of times on this board. Running any event is a balance of time and resources. Forge World does not update those lists with any sort of regularity. Games Workshop is updating with greater regularity and less certainty. So in many cases the Forge World lists are horribly out of date in terms of unit entries, point costs, and special rule alignment with current GW releases. In order to commit to using them we have to be willing to support and update them to meet our event standards. We feel at this time our resources are better spent supporting aspects of the show that impact more attendees.

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Made in us
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Peoria, IL

@Peregrine -
But this rule doesn't make any sense.


It does not make sense to you, it never has and that is ok. But it is called compromise for the allowance of Forge World. We maybe turning a corner and it may no longer be needed moving forward. That is a discussion for this year but it has served its purpose.

How exactly is this a problem?


It can be a huge problem if you want to avoid player confusion, complexity and angst. A lot of those lists have units that are left with special rules that no longer exist in the parent codex, no longer make any sense, or are significantly changed from a previous version. Additionally, you now have to account for the ally matrix, and you have the potential for the exact the same models on the table operating with different costs and rules. I for one am not going to commit our staff eight months out from the event, to support, review and re-write Forge World lists depending on what Games Workshop chooses to release so that a handful of attendees can bring them and I find most reasonable people understand that.

you could probably fix all of them in an hour at most.


As someone that has spent a good bit of time updating Forge World unit content to current rules, over and over again for a decade. I can tell you it does not take an hour.
It is a major and persistent time commitment.




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Made in us
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Peoria, IL


+1, I do believe RobPro gets the associated issues that go along with supporting Forge World army lists. : )

Maybe we should check the Forge World download section and see what they have posted. Here

Under a header of :
Forge World
Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition Rules Updates:

Forge World does a lot of great things ... keeping the download section of the website current is not one of them. Neither is keeping existing rules aligned with the core offerings.

Forge World Army lists are just where we draw the line of what we are willing to take on to make Forge World material playable in our events.







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Made in us
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Peoria, IL

Hey, my fault for taking this thread off course ..

So ignoring the issues that come with allowing some FW lists and not allowing others…

Picking and choosing just the updated/current ones - That might be the state of them today, but today does not impact AdeptiCon 2016. We have to care about what state they might be, come 31 days out from the event. They could be fine, or they could be a disaster depending on what is released over the next 8 months.

Now, there was a time we knew well in advance the schedule of some releases and it was possible for us knowing the release schedule to understand the event impact of those and plan accordingly. At this point we do not have that level of visibility anymore. At the same time we have to publish event formats and rules several months before the event. People plan and build armies for AdeptiCon sometimes a year or more in advance. We like to avoid being on a phone call with an attendee with a little more than a month out from the event, informing them that the list we documented as legal, has now been invalidated.







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