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So a friend and I are a bit confused about something and I need clarification or at least where to look.

He decided to start a Chaos Daemons army. He read the codex, read forums, read wikis, watched youtube videos etc. He saw a lot of cases where a summoned herald could summon as well. As far as I can tell, summoned heralds only come in with the primaris power of the deity of their god, none of which have summoning.

Did I miss something? I cant find where people thought this up. Is this 6e-7e difference? Its possible he was looking at outdated notes/videos.

Any light shined on this would be great.

Thanks.

All Psykers (unless specified otherwise) may instead choose to generate their powers from Daemonology lists. As such, the summoned herald can choose to generate its powers from Daemonology (Maelific), and take the Primaris of "summon more stuff".

This was also restated in the Chaos Daemon FAQ that all of their psykers have access to Malefic Daemonilogy

 Yarium wrote:
All Psykers (unless specified otherwise) may instead choose to generate their powers from Daemonology lists. As such, the summoned herald can choose to generate its powers from Daemonology (Maelific), and take the Primaris of "summon more stuff".

I agree. But summoned Heralds don't get a chance to roll out spells. Summoned daemons start with primaris of their god, no where does it say you can re-roll your discipline. Spells are rolled pre-game, not the moment they come on the table.

I am not denying that Heralds have Malefic. I'm strictly referring to summoned Heralds.

Why would a summoned herald be any different. They use the exact same profile as the codex and Conjuration says that if a psyker is summoned they rolls for powers immediately

 CrownAxe wrote:
Why would a summoned herald be any different. They use the exact same profile as the codex and Conjuration says that if a psyker is summoned they rolls for powers immediately

Perfect! Thats what I was looking for. What page is that?

 tyjet3 wrote:
Perfect! Thats what I was looking for. What page is that?

Don't have the Dead-Tree version, but it's on the BRB under The Psychic Phase >> Type of Psychic Powers >> Conjuration >> 3rd Paragraph.

What page does it say summoned heralds come with theprimaris of their god? If you can provide that, that's all the proof you need to proof your point.(not being a smart ass or anything but if you found something that says that no need to ask if they can summon.)


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Also like you said all psychic powers are chosen before the game begins. If your opponent can't provide a page where it says he can choose powers once the Herald is summoned he really can't do it.
also don't play chaos (not a traitor) so this is just my point of view regarding this issue.

Page 26, second column, last paragraph.

"If the new unit is a Psyker, generate its psychic power(s) as soon as the conjuration is manifested; the new unit cannot attempt to manifest conjuration powers on the same turn it was itself conjured"

Heralds of tzeentch come ML 1 base, they get the primaris and get to roll once. When summoning heralds, you also get to give them 30pts of upgrades for free, so any non khorne herald get get summoning no problem

Your bud spent too long on the forums, it's right there on the power's description

sangheili wrote:
What page does it say summoned heralds come with theprimaris of their god? If you can provide that, that's all the proof you need to proof your point.(not being a smart ass or anything but if you found something that says that no need to ask if they can summon.)

Its about page 20ish. Under chaos psychic focus.

So a level 1 herald of tzeentch can roll on malefic for a conjuration (or swap it for the primaris) and have flickering fire aswell