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hi

Since most people seem to think that the warp spiders can use flickerjump several times during the opponents shooting phase. I ask you this, if one unit targets my spiders and i jump out of range from them so that they can't shoot me. and then i get targeted again by another unit and i once more use the flickerjump, If i jump into the shooting range of the first unit that tried to shoot me, can they try and shoot me again? or have they used up their turn? And if they can shoot at me again, can i then flickerjump once more?

I'm sorry i just realized that i posted this in the fantasy forum, I meant to post it in the 40k forum. If someone could help me move this thread that would be most kind.

The first squad cannot shoot you again as they have already had their chance at shooting and failed to shoot. Also while it is technically RAW you can jump multiple times if you want to keep friends I suggest limiting it to once as that is pretty obviously RAI.

roflmajog wrote:
Also while it is technically RAW you can jump multiple times if you want to keep friends I suggest limiting it to once as that is pretty obviously RAI.

I don't agree with your opinion.

@OP the first unit can't target them again since there is process you must follow: choose target -> resolve -> move on. Once you've moved on there is no going back to that unit.

roflmajog wrote:
The first squad cannot shoot you again as they have already had their chance at shooting and failed to shoot. Also while it is technically RAW you can jump multiple times if you want to keep friends I suggest limiting it to once as that is pretty obviously RAI.

Is there something that would indicate that was the intention?

I wish, that might balance a rule in the new Eldar codex. Because tactically I could them give them nowhere to jump without being able to resolve at least one shooting attack.

Also I agree it should be done once a shooting phase, but I don't think it's RAI. I think gw tried to break it's own game balance as far as it could because they were tired of making money and want everyone to get so fed up they quit.

FratHammer wrote:
I wish, that might balance a rule in the new Eldar codex. Because tactically I could them give them nowhere to jump without being able to resolve at least one shooting attack.

Also I agree it should be done once a shooting phase, but I don't think it's RAI. I think gw tried to break it's own game balance as far as it could because they were tired of making money and want everyone to get so fed up they quit.

Yeah, that's gotta be it...

No, you can't Flickerjump more than once. Here's my reasoning:

How Flickerjump Works (all on p188 of my interactive Ipad version): 1. Flickerjump is 'activated' (becomes an option) whenever the unit of Warp Spiders (we'll use a specific unit, rather than a generic unit) is chosen as the target of a shooting attack. 2. Having been targeted, the unit "can immediately make a Warp Jump" [my capitalization on 'Jump', sorry--expressive writer here], except that it only goes 2D6" instead of 2D6+6".

If we stop now, Warp Spiders can jump from here to infinity...and beyond. However, we ask, 'How does Warp Jump work?' (because Flickerjump IS a Warp Jump) which leads us to: 3. "If making a Warp Jump, the model immediately moves up to 2D6+6" in any direction (roll once per unit each turn)...". The key here is the limitation, 'roll once per unit each turn'. 'Turn', as we know, always means Player Turn. So, we can roll once for Warp Jump (2D6+6") in our Player Turn. Flickerjump allows us to make a limited Warp Jump (2D6") but is NOT limited to our opponent's Player Turn, it is limited by whether or not we have already performed a Warp Jump in that turn. We do not have permission to roll the dice more than once, and without rolling dice...we go nowhere. So, the 'Infinite Flickerjump' gets stuck on #2 and is therefore unable to complete the action.

DCannon4Life wrote:
No, you can't Flickerjump more than once. Here's my reasoning:

How Flickerjump Works (all on p188 of my interactive Ipad version): 1. Flickerjump is 'activated' (becomes an option) whenever the unit of Warp Spiders (we'll use a specific unit, rather than a generic unit) is chosen as the target of a shooting attack. 2. Having been targeted, the unit "can immediately make a Warp Jump" [my capitalization on 'Jump', sorry--expressive writer here], except that it only goes 2D6" instead of 2D6+6".

If we stop now, Warp Spiders can jump from here to infinity...and beyond. However, we ask, 'How does Warp Jump work?' (because Flickerjump IS a Warp Jump) which leads us to: 3. "If making a Warp Jump, the model immediately moves up to 2D6+6" in any direction (roll once per unit each turn)...". The key here is the limitation, 'roll once per unit each turn'. 'Turn', as we know, always means Player Turn. So, we can roll once for Warp Jump (2D6+6") in our Player Turn. Flickerjump allows us to make a limited Warp Jump (2D6") but is NOT limited to our opponent's Player Turn, it is limited by whether or not we have already performed a Warp Jump in that turn. We do not have permission to roll the dice more than once, and without rolling dice...we go nowhere. So, the 'Infinite Flickerjump' gets stuck on #2 and is therefore unable to complete the action.

You're argument wouldn't prevent additional warp jumps, they would just all be the same distance.

Where do you get the idea you have permission to do that?

DCannon4Life wrote:
Where do you get the idea you have permission to do that?

Where do you get the idea that only rolling once per turn means means the same thing as you can only flickerjump once per turn?

Because a Warp Jump is executed by rolling dice. If you are prohibited (expressly, prohibited, in this case) from rolling more than once, you cannot execute additional Warp Jumps.

If that were the case, you could not warp jump and flicker jump in the same turn.

I don't believe that is raw or rai

 jokerkd wrote:
If that were the case, you could not warp jump and flicker jump in the same turn.

I don't believe that is raw or rai

No that is absolutely RAW.

But then, you cannot warpjump in your opponents turn, and your opponent cannot target your unit with a shooting attack in your turn.

Turn means player turn unless specified as game turn.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
... and your opponent cannot target your unit with a shooting attack in your turn.

What about Overwatch then? And they can be targeted by multiple enemy units during the enemy's Shooting phase.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 jokerkd wrote:
If that were the case, you could not warp jump and flicker jump in the same turn.

I don't believe that is raw or rai

No that is absolutely RAW.

I have to disagree. "it can immediately make a Warp jump" is clear as day. the only thing i see that could be open to interpretation, is whether or not you can roll 2d6 again, and even that seems obvious to me

But then, you cannot warpjump in your opponents turn, and your opponent cannot target your unit with a shooting attack in your turn.

if flicker jump is, as is claimed, a warp jump with additional rules, then yes you can.

i would also point out that "warp" is always capitalised in the book so does not necessarily denote "Warp jump" as a special rule in itself