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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper





Hi there !

it has been a few weeks since I (finally) decided to stop buying the paints/glue/brushes in GW shops. The last price incease is what finally made me act instead of just thinking about it.
Hence my post here. Where do you guys buy your :

- paints (I heard about Vallejo, are they that good ? Do they mix well with the GW range ? Are there other brands that do it better ?)
- brushes and cleaning materials (is it worth it to pay for a really expensive brush if you're not that cautious ? Which brands offer a good compromise ?)
- glue (can you really use any glue from the supermarkets or are they going to ruin the miniatures ? I'd want something that allows me to change the arms without needing to break everything for example)
- terrains (What is the secret to make it look so cool and not like a DIY done by a child ? Do I really have to use the expensive paints I use for the models for the entire table ?)

Bonus question : Is there an online shop regrouping everything so that I don't have to pay the shipping cost from the USA or the UK 5 times ?

Thank you in advance for the answers !
   
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Boosting Space Marine Biker





Las Vegas

Personally, I love Vallejo. 95% of my paints are Vallejo. As far as brushes are concerned, I order Winsor & Newton Series 7 from Amazon. Prices are about half of the normal retail for the W&Ns7 brushes. But if you aren't cautious, don't throw away your money on the Series 7, Once you learn the caution, then get the expensive brushes.Gluing stuff together...if you think you might want to disassemble the models later, use superglue. Doesn't matter where it comes from, as long as it is Cyanoacrylate. Terrain building is in the details. Always has been. But if you're not ready for it, do some internet searching for building terrain. I recommend checking out ironhands.com and TerraGenesis.Both are great resources for the scratch builder. As far as painting terrain is concerned, pick up the inexpensive craft paints like Apple Barrel or Ceramcoat. Pick up black, different browns and greens, and a couple of greys. Also pick up some cheap brushes at the same time, save your mini painting brushes for minis and small details on the scenery.

One stop shopping for the above items? Amazon.com is your best bet.

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Trustworthy Shas'vre




DFW area Texas - Rarely

DO a few searches - there are tons of posts on other paints.

Personally, I love vallejo (game color, model color, model air, game air) and reaper master series.

See if any of your friends in the area has any you can try.

As far as the other thing - try just about any other hobby shop.

Best glue - Testors liquid cement.
http://www.amazon.com/Liquid-Cement-Plastics-1-oz/dp/B0006N6ODS/ref=sr_1_3?

See if you can find that in your area.

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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper





 Peredyne wrote:
Personally, I love Vallejo. 95% of my paints are Vallejo. As far as brushes are concerned, I order Winsor & Newton Series 7 from Amazon. Prices are about half of the normal retail for the W&Ns7 brushes. But if you aren't cautious, don't throw away your money on the Series 7, Once you learn the caution, then get the expensive brushes.Gluing stuff together...if you think you might want to disassemble the models later, use superglue. Doesn't matter where it comes from, as long as it is Cyanoacrylate. Terrain building is in the details. Always has been. But if you're not ready for it, do some internet searching for building terrain. I recommend checking out ironhands.com and TerraGenesis.Both are great resources for the scratch builder. As far as painting terrain is concerned, pick up the inexpensive craft paints like Apple Barrel or Ceramcoat. Pick up black, different browns and greens, and a couple of greys. Also pick up some cheap brushes at the same time, save your mini painting brushes for minis and small details on the scenery.

One stop shopping for the above items? Amazon.com is your best bet.


Wow thank you, as stupid as it may stupid, I would have never thought about Amazon... I'll have a look at what they have and order in the coming days.

Thank you also for the links for the terrains. I'll try to find a different paint but never found something that looked as cool as what I see in Dakka, it never seems so realistic.

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Gargantuan Gargant





Binghamton, NY

Landegaard wrote:
Where do you guys buy your :

- paints (I heard about Vallejo, are they that good ? Do they mix well with the GW range ? Are there other brands that do it better ?)
Yes, Vallejo are good. Actually, pretty much all of the hobby ranges are good - Reaper MSP, P3, AP, etc. Some ranges have unique colors, some ranges have working properties that lend themselves to certain styles of painting more than others... it's largely a matter of personal preference and there's no need to stick to one brand. All water-based (some are thinned with alcohol) acrylics play well together, so feel free to mix and match.

- brushes and cleaning materials (is it worth it to pay for a really expensive brush if you're not that cautious ? Which brands offer a good compromise ?)
No, it's not worth forking out for Series 7s if you won't take care of them (at least, not in my opinion). There are, however, brushes that offer a good balance of cost and quality. Rosemary & Co. are my brand of choice - much better quality than any comparably priced brushes. Not quite to S7/8404 standards, but you can get three of them shipped over from England for the price of one W&N on sent domestically. As for cleaning, I use Master's brush soap, which you can find at most art and/or craft stores. I got mine at Michaels and would do so again, if the thing ever actually ran out (it lasts ages)!

- glue (can you really use any glue from the supermarkets or are they going to ruin the miniatures ? I'd want something that allows me to change the arms without needing to break everything for example)
There are some differences in viscosity, cure time, etc. but essentially superglue is superglue (CA, or cyanoacrylate). I have other types, now, but the majority of my assembled models are from my early hobby days, where I could only get little $0.99 Krazy Glue tubes from bodegas. It wasn't as nice to use as my current medium-cure gel, but it worked just fine. As long as you aren't trying to use goopy UHU or PVA to hold models together, you'll probably be fine.

- terrains (What is the secret to make it look so cool and not like a DIY done by a child ? Do I really have to use the expensive paints I use for the models for the entire table ?)
No secret, really - just a few major 'dos and don'ts.' Take your time and check your builds. If a corner is supposed to be square, make it square. If a wall is to be straight, cut it perfectly straight. Fill gaps that aren't supposed to be there. If it's a looser construction or a natural form, you want to avoid too much regularity. Found objects are great for building terrain, but don't rely on everyday objects too heavily. If you don't put in the work to mask their original form, they're instantly recognizable. Some people mock the idea of suspending disbelief in wargaming, but that's exactly why they think that cookie tin bunker looks like crap, even if they don't know it. Also, details are your friend. Even just adding a few strips of card to add a bit of relief to an otherwise flat wall can really enhance the look of a piece. Again, though, keep it neat and regular if it should be. You don't need to lay things out in CAD and have them precision laser-cut, but many builds that seem childish simply come from a lack of care and patience. The list could go on and on.

As for paint, don't waste expensive (at least, comparatively) model paints covering a table. I wouldn't even use craft paint for that, as house paint (latex/emulsion) is thicker and often cheaper (by volume, at least), making it ideal for the task. I do smaller terrain elements and basing with a mix of craft paints, soft body artist's paints, and model paints. It's really a matter, for me, of using the cheapest tool that will actually do the job well. If I need good, thin coverage of a common, heavily pigmented color (blacks, browns, etc.), a little Golden brand liquid acrylic goes a pretty long way. Craft paints are fine for drybrushing rubble, but their metallics are generally crap, so I break out something a bit more specialized for those parts - Aztek or VMA acrylics, which have fine and dense metal flakes. There's a tool for every job, paints included. Advice is great, but you'll have to try some things out, yourself, to see what you like best.

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Illinois, USA



The OP wants to be able to remove parts if necessary. This is good old model glue and will make take apart impossible, as it "welds" the plastic together. Cyanoacrylate is the way to go for his needs.
   
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Whiteshield Conscript Trooper





Wow, what a complete answer, thank you ! I am amazed to see how great this forum is.

For the brushes the problem is that I'm not the kind of painter able to stay 4 hours in a row painting stuff. I'm more about painting 15min here and there so if I have to clean my brush and use products and such, I'll probably spend more time cleaning my brush than using it. That's why I'm looking for a compromise between quality and price (in order to be able to buy a new one every X months).

For the glue : it's not that I want something as flexible as magnets but sometimes I like to be able to strip the models and restart everything, sometimes even change the arms for example. So if it is totally melted, I guess it won't really work.

For terrain : I'll try to pay attention to everything said up to now. I'll also try to use better materials like plasticards as it seems cheap but pretty good-looking. The paint is actually more the problem. I see a lot a people in the gallery priming their terrains before painting them, is there an important reason or is it just a matter of preference ?
   
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Gargantuan Gargant





Binghamton, NY

I paint in infrequent bursts, as well. Brush care is more about prevention than rehabilitation, so you needn't worry quite so much. Frequent rinsing while you paint and not jabbing the bristles too harshly against surfaces takes care of most of the problems you might expect to run into. Brush soap/conditioner/restorer isn't necessarily an everyday regimen. My brushes generally see hours of painting, often spread over several weeks, between deep cleans with Master's.

As for priming, it serves the same purpose on terrain as it does on models - provides a resilient surface to facilitate further paint's adhesion. For large areas of groundwork, I'd go straight to the emulsion house paint, but for nearly everything else, it gets primer. Granted, it's much more important on slick surfaces like metal, plastic, or smooth stone than on absorbent ones like wood or cardboard.

The Dreadnote wrote:But the Emperor already has a shrine, in the form of your local Games Workshop. You honour him by sacrificing your money to the plastic effigies of his warriors. In time, your devotion will be rewarded with the gift of having even more effigies to worship.
 
   
 
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