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Hey guys.. for template weapons the book says if any part of the model is covered by a blast template, it means its hit... I was watching a bat rep the other day and the guy said it needs to cover the base of the model somewhat in order to count as a hit. Is this true?

The way I play it is if any part of the model is under it, it counts as a hit... even if its like a piece of a rifle or some hair... w/e

I am not a tourney player so there were never objections about this.

Please help!

The Bat Rep was Blue Table Painting, btw,.... but those guys screw up the rules an awful lot it seems like.

Usually, I play with hitting the base to count as a hit. For me and my group, it makes more sense if it were to possibly kill the model if you're hitting the actual body (the base), as opposed to just hitting the gun or an arm, which you would usually live through

Hmmm, well I play that any piece of the attached model is touched, then it counts as a hit. I figured it's the same as true line of sight for shooting attacks. If you can see any scrap of the model, then that's true LoS.

I don't see why it would be any different for a blast template or flamer template. Can you see the 8 foot tall genetically modified space marines foot? Then that counts as a hit. Would it kill him realistically? Nope, but for gameplay it tends to be easier to go 100% with true LoS than to pick and choose.

I'd say base usually.
Things like Pink horrors can cause issues because they're leaning so far out from their base, and a greater daemon has a 4-inch whip sticking out the front which would be a pain.

You know, I suppose that's true. I don't really have any models with long dangly bits, but for an instance like the DP with a whip that would be a huge extra target.

I guess counting all of the model might lead to more people modeling for advantage, than just the base.

The base is how rational people translate "any part of the model".

Killing something by shooting its weapon, hair, or flag etc is stupid. Even by GW standards.

Thanks for the help guys.. i thought this was strange... lets say you made a Eldar wraithknight and made one arm stick out.. to make it look like its shooting its cannon... his hit area for templates would then be much much larger.

As a general courtesy we always play that base is all that matters, even though people might argue otherwise. For example, I model all my sergeants with either their chainsword or their bolter extended outwards pointing at the enemy, but my opponent models all of his to just be holding it at the chest..... should my model get hit simply because I wanted my models to look cooler? Keep in mind too that when drawing line of sight you're supposed to ignore wings/guns/banners for regular shooting.

 clamclaw wrote:
Hmmm, well I play that any piece of the attached model is touched, then it counts as a hit. I figured it's the same as true line of sight for shooting attacks. If you can see any scrap of the model, then that's true LoS.

Not strictly true - although vague, the LOS rules do specifically call out things like protruding weapons, hair, and accessories not being sufficient to draw LOS. I've played blast weapons the same way, sticking to base contact to sort things out, although the same rule doesn't necessarily apply.

 Jambles wrote:

 clamclaw wrote:
Hmmm, well I play that any piece of the attached model is touched, then it counts as a hit. I figured it's the same as true line of sight for shooting attacks. If you can see any scrap of the model, then that's true LoS.

Not strictly true - although vague, the LOS rules do specifically call out things like protruding weapons, hair, and accessories not being sufficient to draw LOS. I've played blast weapons the same way, sticking to base contact to sort things out, although the same rule doesn't necessarily apply.

Totally serious, my mind = blown... I've been playing in a group with true LOS counting ANY part of the model... Damn. I'll have to try the proper way and see how it goes (playing CSM, this should help loads due to al my spiky and point bits hanging off).

Moved to 40K You Make Da Call!

Base was absolutely the old rules.

New rules are any part of the model.

Some attempt to cite barrels, banners etc as not counting as body to say that a long gun puts the model not within blast, this is wrong application. Barrels/banners not counting is not counting as body for los.

If your gun barrel is under the template, your model is hit. RAW and a specific change.

The batrep you were watching being wrong is not that egregious; it is a recent and oft overlooked change.

Which page in the BRB does it states : Wings etc. do not count towards los of a model?

 dameanone wrote:
Which page in the BRB does it states : Wings etc. do not count towards los of a model?

Page 14, General Principles - Line of Sight.

 dameanone wrote:
Which page in the BRB does it states : Wings etc. do not count towards los of a model?

Surprisingly enough, its found in 'Line of Sight' in the General Principles section of the rulebook.

 Ghaz wrote:

 dameanone wrote:
Which page in the BRB does it states : Wings etc. do not count towards los of a model?

Surprisingly enough, its found in 'Line of Sight' in the General Principles section of the rulebook.

Thanks! I share a rulebook, and dont have it with me!