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Hello Dakka, this is my first list and was wondering if anybody has any suggestions or advice for my list.




+++(1999pts) +++

++ Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) (Combined Arms Detachment) (1789pts) ++

+ HQ (288pts) +

Chaos Lord (140pts) [Bike, Lightning Claws, Mark of Nurgle, Power Armour, Power Fist]
Chaos khorne juggerLord (148pts) [Axe of Blind Fury, Combi-bolter, Power Armour]

+ Elites (470pts) +

Chaos Contemptor Dreadnought (240pts) [Butcher Cannon, CCW combi-bolter, Nurgle]
Chaos Decimator Daemon Engine (230pts) [Decimator Siege Claw x2, Nurgle]


+ Troops (254pts) +

Chaos Cultists x9 (50pts)
Plague Marines x6 (204pts), melta gun, flamer, champ with multimelta.
Chaos Rhino

+Fast Attack (385)+

Chaos Bikers x6 (235pts) Chaos Biker 2x Meltagun,
Chaos Biker Champion Combi-bolter, Lightning Claw, Melta Bombs]

Chaos Spawn x5 (150pts)

+ Heavy Support (392pts) +

Deimos Pattern Vindicator Tank Destroyer (142pts) Havoc Launcher
Maulerfiend (125pts)
Maulerfiend (125pts)

++ Chaos Formation Detachment) (210pts) ++

Formation: Helcult (210pts)

Interesting list and some good choices for a starter CSM list. I like the choices overall and think it needs some tweaking to be satisfying.

The CL will likely ride up with the other bikers to do his damage. He has MoN, the other bikers don't. That really means they are becoming ablative wounds for him. I would consider a) giving them all MoN and making them tougher or b) taking less wargear on the biker champion. They should be tough or a delivery mechanism but not necessarily both.

The Helcult is a fun formation to play. With the cover save, I think it's a good idea to consider putting some heavy weapons on the Helbrute. Considering he can pack a plasma cannon, it might be a good idea to consider it.

If you have a copy of IA:13, the Deimos Pattern Vindicator Tank Destroyer could benefit from a Legacy of Ruin. Auloth the Primordial Iterator would make it's guns pinning and give nearby units with IoW FNP.

Which made me think... what if the bikers had MoK, the Juggerlord rode with them, and the Vindicator stayed near. That's a frightful combination and not something anyone would expect. Plus, when the bikers get close enough to charge, you simply overcharge the guns on the laser destroyer and wreck something else nearby.

I could see a lot of things to do with this list, it's just that the units don't all compliment each other yet. Find ways to bring them together.