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I'm playing a game this evening against a buddy of mine who runs Black Templar. It's a rematch, and I'm expecting to see The Emperor's Champion and the Reclusiarch(?). These guys eat Orks alive in challenges. In general, my orks tend to keel over when they get challenged. Any recommendations for handling Challenge Winning Characters as Orks?

My list, for those interested in what I plan on running:

Buy slotless meks to put in your squads, and give that Warboss a power klaw. No upgrades on the meks. The meks can eat the challenges and leave your nobs and bosses alone so they can attack the regulars and win combat for them. For what those nobs are doing I would replace them with MANz and give the warboss da lucky stikk.

Pretty small game huh?

Well Orcs have one power klaw at initiative still, Zadsnark. He goes at initiative 4 with a pk. So if those guys are initiative 4, you could kill each other at the same time.

Also, if they can be doubled out by str 8, Zangstruk also has a game of wrath at initiative 10, and if you challenge and he accepts... If you roll a2+, he dies. Challenge won.

Other than that buy meks. The 15pt ones no upgrades. They accept the challenges instead of your nobs/characters. They site do die easy, but your nob continues murdering the other squad while the mek dies in his stead.

Thanks! Good advice. I'll need to check out Zang

Ideally, you don't want to get into a challenge against those two. Best to shoot them. Or get them alone and then assault them. You might lose several boys and maybe the nob, but you will should be able to kill them in hand-to-hand. If you don't think you can do it. Just shoot them til they die. SAG and flash gitz make quick work of marines.

Bring out Da Lootas and clear off the MEQs with a hailstorm of Dakka.

Yeah... Then roll a 1 shoot 5 times, wound 4 times, and he'll save 3. You sure killed that 1 space marine.

Deffguns ignore MEQ armour S7 AP3. Lootas are the most cost effective unit that has that weapon stat. Bringing only 5 Lootas never made sense, bring 12-15.

Deffguns are AP4. But yeah the slotless mek is a great way as mentioned above to soak challenges, can throw people off if they don't expect it.

meks, meks, meks, meks!

They die horribly, cost you 15 pts and let your warboss go to town. Goes something like this;
Charge into CC, get challenged, mek accepts, he kills the mek and the excess wounds kill a few boyz, then you strike, you kill off most of his squad and next turn he's got only a couple dudes left. Then if he challenges again you can either accept and let another character die, or you can reuse, by now you'd hope to have removed enough of the squad that you can simply let his challenge monster die to volume of attacks.

Orks like to bully, you aim for the units you can handle, what you can't handle you shoot or drown in volume of attacks.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Deffguns ignore MEQ armour S7 AP3. Lootas are the most cost effective unit that has that weapon stat. Bringing only 5 Lootas never made sense, bring 12-15.

I wish! They would make tankbustas very difficult to justify if deffguns were AP3. Its kind of concerning that you would think that because they've never been AP3. I really hope you haven't been giving advice online and list writing with that assumption.

 vercingatorix wrote:

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Deffguns ignore MEQ armour S7 AP3. Lootas are the most cost effective unit that has that weapon stat. Bringing only 5 Lootas never made sense, bring 12-15.

I wish! They would make tankbustas very difficult to justify if deffguns were AP3. Its kind of concerning that you would think that because they've never been AP3. I really hope you haven't been giving advice online and list writing with that assumption.

misinformation is hardly too much of a concern when everyone has a copy of the rules he simply got something wrong, i've been wrong many times in my life and it sure ain't the last time.

He's posted 280+ times, is an orc player, and isn't getting rules right on one of our most over rated units? And misinformation is a big deal if you tell your opponent that our 48" guns wound on 2's and outright kill anything that isn't in 2+ armor... You need to be more careful reading your codex. I'd hate to play against one of these codex a week codices that have been coming out and then say they have bs 10 D large blast heavy 12's. I mean that's probably accurate if it's for eldar, but for anyone else, probably not.

FratHammer wrote:
He's posted 280+ times, is an orc player, and isn't getting rules right on one of our most over rated units? And misinformation is a big deal if you tell your opponent that our 48" guns wound on 2's and outright kill anything that isn't in 2+ armor... You need to be more careful reading your codex. I'd hate to play against one of these codex a week codices that have been coming out and then say they have bs 10 D large blast heavy 12's. I mean that's probably accurate if it's for eldar, but for anyone else, probably not.

How long have you been playing warhammer? are you going to tell me every single game you've gotten every single rule right, that you've moved all your models < 6", that you've always been 'perfect'. Because if you say Yes, then your lying, if you say no, then your in the same boat as he and the rest of us, its called being human. Post count doesn't mean jack, he could have 279 posts in modelling and painting. How about this? Its ORKS not orcs. There you go, your an Ork player right? how come you don't even know how to spell the faction you play? Its a big deal didn't ya know?

Can we stop bashing on people for being human please? and get back on topic, I highly doubt the OP is interested in this.