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Ocularis Terribus

Hi, a newbie question here
I'm confused about the fighting a challenge section: the rule book says "...when rolling To Hit and To Wound, they always use the Weapon Skill and toughness of their opponent..." Does this means that units with lower WS and T are better for fighting challenges because these stats are swapped with their opponents'?

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It means you use the opponents WS and Toughness as defenders WS/Toughness on the To Hit and To Wound charts. (Instead of Majority WS/Toughness).

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No. You would use you're own WS and Toughness values. It simply indicates that while in a Challenge you don't use the 'Units with Multiple Weapon Skills' and 'Multiple Toughness Values' rules found in the Assault Phase section of the rules.

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The rule makes more sense when you already know the rules for basic cc: your unit attacks your opponent's unit. Where T and WS varies in the opponent's unit you always use the majority(meaning most common even if just by 1 model) value.

Example: a SM captain on a bike is attached to a unit of 5 tactical marines; the captain has a ws5 and T5, the tacticals have ws4 and t4, in a regular cc you roll your ws against ws4, even if you are only in base contact with the captain. You then wound against T4.

In the same setup, but this time with a challenge being fought, your unit strikes the tacticals at ws4 and wounds at t4, but your character fighting the captain stikes against ws5 and wounds against t5(the values of your opponent).

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Ocularis Terribus

Thanks for the replies,guys. From what I understand there are two points to this.
first, the " you use your opponent's WS and T" is to clarify that you use the WS and T of the unit you are dueling not stats of the squad he's attached to. just like this quote ;
Kommissar Kel wrote:The rule makes more sense when you already know the rules for basic cc: your unit attacks your opponent's unit. Where T and WS varies in the opponent's unit you always use the majority(meaning most common even if just by 1 model) value.

Example: a SM captain on a bike is attached to a unit of 5 tactical marines; the captain has a ws5 and T5, the tacticals have ws4 and t4, in a regular cc you roll your ws against ws4, even if you are only in base contact with the captain. You then wound against T4.

In the same setup, but this time with a challenge being fought, your unit strikes the tacticals at ws4 and wounds at t4, but your character fighting the captain stikes against ws5 and wounds against t5(the values of your opponent).


second, you use the opponents' WS and T as defenders ;
DeathReaper wrote:It means you use the opponents WS and Toughness as defenders WS/Toughness on the To Hit and To Wound charts. (Instead of Majority WS/Toughness).


Does both of these apply ? or just only one?

   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




They are both exactly the same

You use the WS and T stats of the model in the challenge, and NOT the majority WS and T stat of the *unit* the character is attached to.
   
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Yeah, mine was just more verbose; and had examples for both situations, but our answers are identical.

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Ocularis Terribus

Oops! there goes another one of my a major brain farts . Sorry for the repetition. I should have read it more carefully .
looks like every thing's clear now , thanks again

At first I thought the first one means your WS and T actually change to match your opponents'

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