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Checking out the new Space Marine formations, nothing exiting much until I see the "Armoured Task Force".

So I can take 5 Whirlwinds/Vindicators, with a techmarine with Iron Hands chapter tactics and a servo harness.

Giving me 5 Pie-dealers, with IWND, Ignoring Shaken & Stunned, and a Techmarine who repairs on a 2+, behind an aegis defence line for its cover save.

......
Best. Formation. Ever.
You won't be able to see the table under all those pie-plates!

And then you're faced with flyer spam, and you just shake hands on turn 1.

 luky7dayz wrote:
And then you're faced with flyer spam, and you just shake hands on turn 1.

Use the rest of your points on anti flyer and some cheap objective runners.

I'm not gonna call "OP!" but it's clearly a very strong formation. And one that is going to be so, so boring to play. Placing all those pies takes so long...

No, you don't take five whatever. You take five UNITS of whatevers. And you get three whatevers per unit. Happy hunting.

And I'm just sitting here, looking at my ork codex thinking 'maybe some day.'

at 3k, which is our standard game, this would be a very difficult army to win with.

basically you have to pray the rest of the models you took can take and hold all objectives because you spent so much on artillery pieces. One angry melta squad and this is toast.

Yeah? One angry Melta Squad can kill 15 vehicles plus Thunderfire Cannons? Impressive. And since a CAD is 160pts of Telion and Scouts, Obj Sec isn't difficult either.

But really, my Blood Angels are jealous. Could you imagine units of three Fast Predators and Vindicators, or Baals with Assault Cannons... Armortide would be incredible.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
No, you don't take five whatever. You take five UNITS of whatevers. And you get three whatevers per unit. Happy hunting.

The problem with taking multiple models in a single unit with the barrage/blast rules is that you then have to use the multiple barrage rules in the rulebook. One early unlucky scatter, and all subsequent pie plates must work off that first bad one, often being auto-misses. It's really a pretty ugly system.

Izural wrote:
Checking out the new Space Marine formations, nothing exiting much until I see the "Armoured Task Force".

So I can take 5 Whirlwinds/Vindicators, with a techmarine with Iron Hands chapter tactics and a servo harness.

Giving me 5 Pie-dealers, with IWND, Ignoring Shaken & Stunned, and a Techmarine who repairs on a 2+, behind an aegis defence line for its cover save.

......
Best. Formation. Ever.
You won't be able to see the table under all those pie-plates!

So, what happens when you're faced with multiple Flyrants? What happens when you're faced with Invisibility? How about something with a range greater than 24" that can't be hurt by Whirlwinds?

Yes, there's some things that will absolutely hate this sort of list, and they won't really be much fun. There are others that you simply won't be able to properly engage. Hooray crappy balance in 7th edition!

Likewise, there's been a change to the wording of IH Chapter Tactics with regards to vehicles, only Dreads have Chapter Tactics and the IH CT wording no longer includes the part about it applying to the entire detachment.

Honestly, what's far filthier is the Thunderfire cannons, particularly now that the Techmarine has 2 wounds.

Izural wrote:Checking out the new Space Marine formations, nothing exiting much until I see the "Armoured Task Force".

So I can take 5 Whirlwinds/Vindicators, with a techmarine with Iron Hands chapter tactics and a servo harness.

Giving me 5 Pie-dealers, with IWND, Ignoring Shaken & Stunned, and a Techmarine who repairs on a 2+, behind an aegis defence line for its cover save.

......
Best. Formation. Ever.
You won't be able to see the table under all those pie-plates!

Why stop on a 2+? For the low, low price of a heavy bolter, you can get a servitor, giving an automatic pass on Blessing of the Omnissiah! Add up to 4 more servitors as ablative wounds, really. And as spares.

You could already do this with seige assault vanguard. Plus with seige assault vanguard, your seige master made them all tank hunters. It also gave 4 heavy slots and you didn't HAVE to take 3 in a unit.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Yeah? One angry Melta Squad can kill 15 vehicles plus Thunderfire Cannons? Impressive. And since a CAD is 160pts of Telion and Scouts, Obj Sec isn't difficult either.

But really, my Blood Angels are jealous. Could you imagine units of three Fast Predators and Vindicators, or Baals with Assault Cannons... Armortide would be incredible.

not one angry melta, but a far sight bomb could ruin this formations day by wiping out half the vehicles if lucky. If unlucky.... well, they dun goofed.